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Europa Universalis V confirmed

Started by Syt, February 28, 2024, 12:27:05 PM

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Tamas

Yeah I saw that.  :lol:

The levy changes look like a step in the right direction, but I can already see all the "levies suck" threads being replaced by "regulars suck" ones.

Syt

Beta patch:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/open-beta-for-1-0-11-patch.1895047/

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  • Randomly created male characters that spawn to fill out a court now come with a wife and a daughter, except for clergy characters.


  • Fixed an issue where AI was not taking into consideration the speed modifiers from culture war when calculating assimilation effects.

This is all.
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crazy canuck

That first fix helps a lot - but I wonder why just a daughter and not a randomly chance of either a son or daughter.
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Syt

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Syt

Well, I was considering trying it this weekend - generally people say it's a step forward, but there is a flaw where economies seem to collapse after 100 - 150 years due to a lack of tools/lumber/iron.

The most likely culprit is estate building. With 1.1 beta, tax money lost from lack of control goes to the estates. And they build. And build. And build. Not necessarily sensibly but A LOT. Which crashes out the markets.

Maybe only *some* money should be funneled to the estates? :P
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HVC

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Syt

OPB did some runs with the 1.1.1 beta patch (there's now 1.1.2 beta out) and he was not happy. He got especially annoyed playing Brandenburg in his latest video where - according to him - the events play out pretty independent from the gameplay mechanics and you have to make consciously bad decisions to get historical outcomes. He also noted that the HRE is still very anemic when it comes to making laws. He pointed out that it seems weird that you have all those diplomatic tools, but when it comes to getting votes in the Imperial Diet, this doesn't seem to matter. You can be best buddies with a voter, they may still reject you at every turn. You have to "bribe" in the diet mechanics, regardless of of diplo relations. Meanwhile, the Council of Trent ran for many years without any vote coming up ever. So it seems that a lot of the "story" flavor content and international organizations still need a lot of work.

He compared it to the Voice of the People DLC for V3 which was also originally completely decoupled from the gameplay mechanics and how V3 has much improved in that regard over the years.
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Josephus

I am still playing this for now, but I don't have any hope that this will be a great game. I think the issue is they tried to do too much with this, and in such a complex game, there's too much stuff going on that relies on other things, etc. etc.

And the start date...

Frankly I think they overreached.

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They will be fine.  The Vic3 economy is even more fiddly and they got that running acceptably. 
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Sophie Scholl

Yeah. This isn't a new title they're throwing out there to see if it sticks. It is their core franchise title. They definitely didn't do themselves any favors by releasing it in the state it was, especially on the heels of the Bloodlines 2 fiasco, but they'll keep plugging away at improvements to it. Whether it will be within the initial release or if they'll try to drum up some more funds first with a dlc or twelve, they will eventually come up with something stable and enjoyable.
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Syt

I agree that it seems unlikely that they will pull the plug on this like they did on Imperator. Besides it being their flagship title (though HOI arguably has the bigger market footprint) it's also Johan's shot at redemption after Imperator.

At this point I'm more worried that they might scale back ambition, scope and mechanics to a more manageable level instead of building on the foundation they have. I think starting in 1337, while a commendable idea to illustrate the evolution from feudal monarchies to modern states, creates as many problems as the early start dates in CK2 and 3 does. You either end up wildly ahistorical outcomes (something I don't mind quite as much in the character centric CK) or add hamfisted railroading because it's really hard to set up the mechanics so that quasi- or near-historical outcomes are likely for the widely disparate situations around the world - if you could solve it on a purely mechanical level you should call yourself Hari Seldon and get about predicting the future. :P
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Josephus on February 11, 2026, 06:40:39 PMI am still playing this for now, but I don't have any hope that this will be a great game. I think the issue is they tried to do too much with this, and in such a complex game, there's too much stuff going on that relies on other things, etc. etc.

And the start date...

Frankly I think they overreached.



All the things you think are weaknesses I view as the game's strengths
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