2025 Portuguese legislative election

[HVC]

Wiki says 25k Bangladeshi in Portugal. I know, I know, wiki isn't the most reliable source. I had found stats saying Portugal has 200k residents and citizens of Indian descent. It lumped basically all of South Asia as "Indian". Roughly evenly split between prior immigration from a few decades ago and their descendants and new immigration. Can't find it again though. Are those numbers that far off from your understanding?


*edit* and by your area I meant moving to France

[Duque de Bragança]

Wiki says 25k Bangladeshi in Portugal. I know, I know, wiki isn't the most reliable source. I had found stats saying Portugal has 200k residents and citizens of Indian descent. It lumped basically all of South Asia as "Indian". Roughly evenly split between prior immigration from a few decades ago and their descendants and new immigration. Can't find it again though. Are those numbers that far off from your understanding?

Not to mention some people counted as Mozambican are of indian descent.
Stats don't specify those of Goa, Damão, Diu etc. since they are mostly Portuguese.

By the way, do I need to remind the former incompetent and corrupt PM, pro mass unrestricted immigration, is of goan origin? vide supra

*edit* and by your area I meant moving to France

If you miss the "new" Martim Moniz, I recommend you the Barbès-Rochechouart area of Paris, though gentrification/boboisation has started; it will take some time however.  Nice municipal arthouse for instance, with their Carpenter AND Bergman marathon night.
 
As for Indians, Pakistanis and Bengalis, try around Gare du Nord, a not-so-nice neighborhood where Hiberno-British of the (Southern) English persuasion find trains to their wet and windy island.

[HVC]

But that's the point. The 100k south Asians that were there for decades don't cause a backlash in the polls. Nor the 500k Brazilians everyone bitched about. It was 25k dark brown muslims (they didn't even care about the lighter North African muslims milling about for decades ). That's what drove everyone to vote chega. 0.2% of the population even if you add the other 75k of non Muslim new Indians that's less then 1% of the population (though I doubt the average Portuguese citizen knows the difference ). and while immigration was broken, and stupid things were done like golden visas and the expansion of AL licences to stupid degrees what really riled the population were 25k dark brown people the numbers bandied  about on Portuguese Facebook (I know I know) is a million Muslims. 10% of Portugal. It's insane to believe that. Some people do. I bet a hefty number of chega voters.

[Duque de Bragança]

Not everybody bitched about Brazilians.
Their anglo-americanised criolised sabir on the other hand....
Plus your figures are way off, as you recognised it.

15 % of foreigners by the end of 2024, from 4% in 2017.

That's 1.5 million foreigners.

https://www.sapo.pt/noticias/atualidade/artigos/quantos-estrangeiros-vivem-em-portugal-retrato-em-tres-graficos

Not all are muslim but from 2017 to 2024, the 25 k Bengalis only? Come on...

Unless it's in Martim Moniz alone, you are speaking of.
Too much I think.

[HVC]

I wish I could find that article  about demographics again , so wiki it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Portugal#Nationality . Numbers are a bit off from your article at 1.39 Million, but its also a year off for new residents and 3 for new citizens. taking the residents and adding the new citizens table you get a total  for South asia (India, Nepal,. Bangladesh and Pakistan) of 140,800, which ties back roughly to the number i had recalled reading in regards to new immigration from south asia. Of that 25k Bangladesh are residents and no new citizens since 2008. Ill give to you another 22k of Pakistanis as Muslim immigrants though, so 0.4% of portugal instead of 0.2%

half of all the foreigners in Portugal are from Brazil and other former colonies at 744k (532k resident and 212k new citizens).

Immigration seems to broken, and should be fixed, but from what i'm told of my family in Portugal is that its being sold as stopping the brown wave (some agree with the sentiment ), which really doesn't appear to be the case.  So its not some civic duty or patriotism thing, its eww stinky brown person thing. Whatever gets the vote though i guess Even if you stop all immigration from non EU or Lusophone Countries you're still at a large number so i don't know how you'd fix that. Make yourself even poorer and less enticing?

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

FYI, I fixed the poll pictures

[Duque de Bragança]

FYI, I fixed the poll pictures

Thanks!

[Valmy]

So the winning coalition pretty much has to form a minority government or coalition with the Socialists, which I understand is not a realistic possibility or they would have already done it. So did this election actually resolve anything? Seems like you will be having another election soon.

[Duque de Bragança]

I wish I could find that article  about demographics again , so wiki it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Portugal#Nationality . Numbers are a bit off from your article at 1.39 Million, but its also a year off for new residents and 3 for new citizens. taking the residents and adding the new citizens table you get a total  for South asia (India, Nepal,. Bangladesh and Pakistan) of 140,800, which ties back roughly to the number i had recalled reading in regards to new immigration from south asia. Of that 25k Bangladesh are residents and no new citizens since 2008. Ill give to you another 22k of Pakistanis as Muslim immigrants though, so 0.4% of portugal instead of 0.2%

half of all the foreigners in Portugal are from Brazil and other former colonies at 744k (532k resident and 212k new citizens).

Immigration seems to broken, and should be fixed, but from what i'm told of my family in Portugal is that its being sold as stopping the brown wave (some agree with the sentiment ), which really doesn't appear to be the case.  So its not some civic duty or patriotism thing, its eww stinky brown person thing. Whatever gets the vote though i guess Even if you stop all immigration from non EU or Lusophone Countries you're still at a large number so i don't know how you'd fix that. Make yourself even poorer and less enticing?

Figures I gave are official, from the immigration service and one year later.
So more than 25k legally.
As for illegal immigrants, no figures obviously.

But yes, most foreigners, for now, are CPLP, but then even Chega accepts the idea of immigration from Lusophone countries.
Montenegro has been tightening the immigration laws, but that's not enough for Ventura, who wants more than containing and even roll back.

[Duque de Bragança]

So the winning coalition pretty much has to form a minority government or coalition with the Socialists, which I understand is not a realistic possibility or they would have already done it. So did this election actually resolve anything? Seems like you will be having another election soon.

More margin for the AD and a clear defeat for the PS which cannot pull combinazione tricks with junior leftist parties since they got hammered too.

AD can count on IL votes but Montenegro has ruled out an alliance with Chega deeming him too petulant, not consistent policy-wise and unreliable.

Still 4 seats to be decided.
Outside of Europe specially, Portuguese voters in, say Venezuela, are really pissed off at anything even remotely socialist or leftist.
Europe might be more AD friendly than PS but Chega did well last time.

[Duque de Bragança]

Good news by the way: abstention « only » 35 %, lowest in years.

[HVC]

I sometimes wonder if Australia doesn't have it the right way with compulsory voting.

[Sheilbh]

They do. Compulsory voting, democracy sausages, robust debate and PMs who can down a yard of ale in 10 seconds.

The only thing they've got wrong is elections every three years which is just too short.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I sometimes wonder if Australia doesn't have it the right way with compulsory voting.

Belgium... though that might not be a good example

[Duque de Bragança]

Lower abstention is due in great part to people being attracted to politics thanks to, guess who, André Ventura.  Very adept at (anti-) social networks such as Instagram, Tik Tok, FB, whatever...