So lets game out Trump's imperial ambitions (Panama, Greenland, Canada)

Started by Barrister, January 08, 2025, 12:11:48 PM

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Razgovory

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Solmyr

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 08, 2025, 04:55:56 PMI don't think any US general would defy the order to invade Canada, but a bunch of them would probably resign rather than participate.

Trump will just appoint the kind of generals Hitler had.

Solmyr

Quote from: mongers on January 08, 2025, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 08, 2025, 04:55:56 PMI don't think any US general would defy the order to invade Canada, but a bunch of them would probably resign rather than participate.

That said there is zero chance Trump would order an invasion of Canada.  Even under the most favorable circumstances it would require a massive military garrison to be effective.

Also little chance re Panama because it could easily create an Afghan-like situation with US troops at permanent risk of terrorist and hit-and-run attacks, not to mention seriously elevating risks to sabotage attacks on the canal itself.

The generals will talk him of those because they can show it is bad for business.

Greenland OTOH may be a risk because it could be easily done for not much dollar and cent cost. It would be catastrophic to US standing and transform the EU into a military alliance hostile to both the US and Russia; it would mean the end of Taiwan and many other awful consequences. But Trump doesn't give a crap about that stuff. Greenland is really really big and Trump likes big.  It has stuff like "rare earth metals" which aren't particularly rare but it sounds really cool and impressive. It's just stupid enough for Trump to do t.

Yes, a grim prospect, if so France and the UK really should work together to build a joint EU nuclear deterrent.

Invading Greenland would be a great way to drive the EU into the arms of China.

viper37

Quote from: Razgovory on January 08, 2025, 07:17:09 PMYou don't need to bomb if there is no resistance.
Why don't you sign up in the new Republican Army?
It's a sure way of not ending up homeless once they cut your social benefits.  Might be a good way to garner some protection too once they start their witch hunts for former Democrats.
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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Sheilbh on Today at 12:48:24 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 08, 2025, 02:38:03 PMLa France des 130 départements ?  :lol:
Correct France.


If so, have it your way:



134 with the Catalonian départements (1812-1814) ;  the Illyrian provinces being in an undefined status (not départements).


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Neil

Quote from: Sheilbh on Today at 12:48:24 AMI'm not sure if the UK can - I think we're in too deep with the Atlantic alliance/reliant on the US on nuclear stuff.
Between Skybolt, Polaris and Trident, I think that's been the case since before most Languishites were born. 
QuoteFrance could but I'm not sure, in that context, that they'd want to Europeanise their power.
I can't imagine that they'd ever wish that to be the case. 
Quote(But we should have done Franco-British union as proposed by Churchill or Mollet :( :P)
You got the EU instead.
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Neil

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on Today at 12:12:40 PM134 with the Catalonian départements (1812-1814) ;  the Illyrian provinces being in an undefined status (not départements).
Wait, if we get a huge France, does Britain have to take back the Irish?
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