Quo Vadis, Democrats?

[Admiral Yi]

Suggestions that out of touch progressives have been controlling the DNC seem laughable to me. None of the strong progressive voices are close to the inner circles of the party. None of them were close to Biden, or Harris' inner circles either. If their voices seem louder, it's because the "official message" from the DNC is muddled, weak, or inexistant. In that vacuum, some more progressive voices get heard more.

The DNC's role is to raise money for campaigns and run primaries.  It's not their job to message.

[Valmy]

My point is that marginalized people aren't being catered to, it's that Democrats defer to elites that share some characteristics with marginalized people.  Simply being Black doesn't give you special insight into the lives of all Black people.  So deferring to wealthy Black scion from Colorado who attended Columbia University when crafting policy for poor Black people in Mississippi is counterproductive.

Well that's true.

But still one might expect a politician who operates in San Antonio would know something about the priorities of southern Texas Tejanos.

But nope.

[Iormlund]

Perhaps there's something I'm missing, but by far the biggest problem I see with the Democratic Party is their last significant piece of legislation passed almost 15 years ago.

And even that (ACA) was a watered-down piece of shit.

No amount of messaging will help with that.

[Admiral Yi]

Perhaps there's something I'm missing, but by far the biggest problem I see with the Democratic Party is their last significant piece of legislation passed almost 15 years ago.

And even that (ACA) was a watered-down piece of shit.

No amount of messaging will help with that.

So the biggest problem with Democratic party is they have not controlled both houses of Congress for a long time.

[Valmy]

Perhaps there's something I'm missing, but by far the biggest problem I see with the Democratic Party is their last significant piece of legislation passed almost 15 years ago.

And even that (ACA) was a watered-down piece of shit.

No amount of messaging will help with that.

So the biggest problem with Democratic party is they have not controlled both houses of Congress for a long time.

Well not since 2022.

[Admiral Yi]

Is that right?  My bad.

[Valmy]

Is that right?  My bad.

Yeah. It was how they were able to pass all that stuff in Biden's first two years. The Republicans weren't going to help them.

Well except for that gay marriage bill, which was appreciated.

[Barrister]

Perhaps there's something I'm missing, but by far the biggest problem I see with the Democratic Party is their last significant piece of legislation passed almost 15 years ago.

And even that (ACA) was a watered-down piece of shit.

No amount of messaging will help with that.

CHIPS Act?

Build Back Better?

ACA also seemed pretty impactful.  Must have been for all those efforts to repeal it.

[viper37]

Perhaps there's something I'm missing, but by far the biggest problem I see with the Democratic Party is their last significant piece of legislation passed almost 15 years ago.

And even that (ACA) was a watered-down piece of shit.

No amount of messaging will help with that.

Biden passed a lot of stuff that I find significant.

The latest Trump rant that he wants Ukraine rare-Earth minerals in exchange for US protection?  Biden's deal.

Canada's border deal by Trump?  Same as Biden's deal.

[Valmy]

Perhaps there's something I'm missing, but by far the biggest problem I see with the Democratic Party is their last significant piece of legislation passed almost 15 years ago.

And even that (ACA) was a watered-down piece of shit.

No amount of messaging will help with that.

CHIPS Act?

Build Back Better?

ACA also seemed pretty impactful.  Must have been for all those efforts to repeal it.

Yeah I disagree. I thought the Biden administration passed a lot of very impactful legislation during his first two years. Much more than I ever thought he could pull off actually.

Not that he got any political credit for any of it. Which I found rather frustrating. But ultimately any good he did was overshadowed by inflation.

But his last two years were rather miserable, but that isn't uncommon for Presidencies to get derailed by bad midterms. Some damned foolish thing in the Balkans Middle East was also rather disastrous.

[Barrister]

Yeah I disagree. I thought the Biden administration passed a lot of very impactful legislation during his first two years. Much more than I ever thought he could pull off actually.

Not that he got any political credit for any of it. Which I found rather frustrating. But ultimately any good he did was overshadowed by inflation.

But his last two years were rather miserable, but that isn't uncommon for Presidencies to get derailed by bad midterms. Some damned foolish thing in the Balkans Middle East was also rather disastrous.

I could have a lot to say about how beneficial any of that legislation was.

But Iormlund say they didn't pass anything "significant", which just doesn't seem accurate or fair.

[Valmy]

Yeah I disagree. I thought the Biden administration passed a lot of very impactful legislation during his first two years. Much more than I ever thought he could pull off actually.

Not that he got any political credit for any of it. Which I found rather frustrating. But ultimately any good he did was overshadowed by inflation.

But his last two years were rather miserable, but that isn't uncommon for Presidencies to get derailed by bad midterms. Some damned foolish thing in the Balkans Middle East was also rather disastrous.

I could have a lot to say about how beneficial any of that legislation was.

But Iormlund say they didn't pass anything "significant", which just doesn't seem accurate or fair.

Well I was agreeing with you. I disagreed with Iormlund. I understand me phrasing it like I meant the opposite created some misunderstanding 

[Barrister]

Yeah I disagree. I thought the Biden administration passed a lot of very impactful legislation during his first two years. Much more than I ever thought he could pull off actually.

Not that he got any political credit for any of it. Which I found rather frustrating. But ultimately any good he did was overshadowed by inflation.

But his last two years were rather miserable, but that isn't uncommon for Presidencies to get derailed by bad midterms. Some damned foolish thing in the Balkans Middle East was also rather disastrous.

I could have a lot to say about how beneficial any of that legislation was.

But Iormlund say they didn't pass anything "significant", which just doesn't seem accurate or fair.

Well I was agreeing with you. I disagreed with Iormlund. I understand me phrasing it like I meant the opposite created some misunderstanding 

Gotcha.

[Iormlund]

None of that stuff meaningfully improved the life of Americans.

Healthcare overhaul, education reform, worker rights (say maternity leave), bringing some sanity to electoral and judicial systems.

That's the sort of legislation I'm talking about.

[viper37]

None of that stuff meaningfully improved the life of Americans.

Healthcare overhaul, education reform, worker rights (say maternity leave), bringing some sanity to electoral and judicial systems.

That's the sort of legislation I'm talking about.

Healthcare overhaul was attempted by Obama, and the courts, after Trump nominated his cronies, rescinded most of the act.

Education is primarily a State responsibility.  They don't intervene directly in the way you suggest:
https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-overview/federal-role-in-education

Workers rights is shared between States and Federal. 
https://uniontrack.com/blog/federal-and-state-labor-laws
It's unclear up to where can the Federal govt legally go without the Supreme court backing.  But Kamala Harris did promise to raise the minimum wage to 15$.  There's only so much things you can do in 2 years of a congressional session.