Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Tamas]

Butt he communists could at least argue they were motivated by a love of humanity, by the hope of Communism.

The hope of a boot stamping on a human face forever? You can't be a Communist and love humanity. It is a very hateful ideology.

Capitalism also has a boot stamping on a human face forever, but some people seem to love it.

What are you, 12? 

[crazy canuck]

Butt he communists could at least argue they were motivated by a love of humanity, by the hope of Communism.

The hope of a boot stamping on a human face forever? You can't be a Communist and love humanity. It is a very hateful ideology.

Every communist fanboy: that wasn't real communism! 

Brain was quoting Orwell, and that was a point he was making in 1984.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Butt he communists could at least argue they were motivated by a love of humanity, by the hope of Communism.

The hope of a boot stamping on a human face forever? You can't be a Communist and love humanity. It is a very hateful ideology.

Every communist fanboy: that wasn't real communism! 

Brain was quoting Orwell, and that was a point he was making in 1984.

Communist fanboys generally didn't read 1984, and if they did they thinks it's a manual on how to proceed.
They also incessantly claim real communism hasn't  been tried... the attempts so far probably resulted in insufficient death and despair.
Maybe the islamo-gauchist alliance will yield the desired results this time round

[OttoVonBismarck]

I would say it's hypocritical to oppose the existence of one settler-colonist country and while being okay with living in one.

One can't really do much about historical dead vs what one can do with ongoing conflicts.

So the implication is that everything is business as usual ("nothing we can do about it now") IF the settlers definitively displace the locals and a generation passes.  That's a view of the world that incentivizes ethnic cleansing.

I'm not on board with all of Raz's commentary, but he has a point about the way in which academic theories of settler colonialism are being deployed politically. If you take that approach seriously, then it necessarily has massive implications for anyone that lives on land that was once occupied by people who were displaced.  Which means just about everyone currently living on the planet. Including the Palestinians.

1) There's more than one generation from my pov (see Oex's comment)

2) Reparations were paid, and are still ongoing

3) Quebec is not actively waging war against its native population today to displace them to the US claiming they don't have any right to live here, that it isn't their country.

4) Quebec isn't actively seeking to terrorize its native population so that they would leave by themselves by a combination of military actions and laws that actively discourage any kind of retaliation by exercising collective retribution.

5) What is happening today in the West Bank and in Gaza is more comparable to what was happening in Canada and the US in the 19th century.  It was seem as the norm back then, because the White Man was presumed to be superior in intellect to the inferior Red Skin who was, at best, good only for assimilation, and at worst, only good if he was dead.

6) Unless you are willing to deny that Israel is constantly annexing territories in the West Bank and all its actions so far has been conducted as a way to deligitimize the creation of a Palestinian State?  The same positions as Otto, that all of this is a fiction?


See what happened recently in Lebanon as another exhibit:
unhinged IDF troops fired at Canadian peacekeepers:
Link

Too many witnesses, got to make them leave.  It's becoming a habit of firing at humanitarian workers and other neutrals, by "accident".  One accident, two accidents, 3 accidents, 4 accidents, 5, 6, 7, 8...

As a lawyer, when does a series of accidents become gross negligence as one refuses to correct the procedures leading to such accidents?

Yeah, you guys won your genocide. Congratulations. Now you're trying to attack a country that isn't remotely committing genocide, but is just defending territory that no one else has any legal claim to, against evil terrorist Arabs who could go live in any other Arab country. There is nothing special about the land they want, other than it is "more", more land for the Arab Muslim, less land for everyone else. That has been their mindset for 1500 years.

[viper37]

Another day, another attack against UN peacekeepers:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2ek2gkp9k2o

[viper37]

I would say it's hypocritical to oppose the existence of one settler-colonist country and while being okay with living in one.

One can't really do much about historical dead vs what one can do with ongoing conflicts.

So the implication is that everything is business as usual ("nothing we can do about it now") IF the settlers definitively displace the locals and a generation passes.  That's a view of the world that incentivizes ethnic cleansing.

I'm not on board with all of Raz's commentary, but he has a point about the way in which academic theories of settler colonialism are being deployed politically. If you take that approach seriously, then it necessarily has massive implications for anyone that lives on land that was once occupied by people who were displaced.  Which means just about everyone currently living on the planet. Including the Palestinians.

1) There's more than one generation from my pov (see Oex's comment)

2) Reparations were paid, and are still ongoing

3) Quebec is not actively waging war against its native population today to displace them to the US claiming they don't have any right to live here, that it isn't their country.

4) Quebec isn't actively seeking to terrorize its native population so that they would leave by themselves by a combination of military actions and laws that actively discourage any kind of retaliation by exercising collective retribution.

5) What is happening today in the West Bank and in Gaza is more comparable to what was happening in Canada and the US in the 19th century.  It was seem as the norm back then, because the White Man was presumed to be superior in intellect to the inferior Red Skin who was, at best, good only for assimilation, and at worst, only good if he was dead.

6) Unless you are willing to deny that Israel is constantly annexing territories in the West Bank and all its actions so far has been conducted as a way to deligitimize the creation of a Palestinian State?  The same positions as Otto, that all of this is a fiction?


See what happened recently in Lebanon as another exhibit:
unhinged IDF troops fired at Canadian peacekeepers:
Link

Too many witnesses, got to make them leave.  It's becoming a habit of firing at humanitarian workers and other neutrals, by "accident".  One accident, two accidents, 3 accidents, 4 accidents, 5, 6, 7, 8...

As a lawyer, when does a series of accidents become gross negligence as one refuses to correct the procedures leading to such accidents?

Yeah, you guys won your genocide. Congratulations. Now you're trying to attack a country that isn't remotely committing genocide, but is just defending territory that no one else has any legal claim to, against evil terrorist Arabs who could go live in any other Arab country. There is nothing special about the land they want, other than it is "more", more land for the Arab Muslim, less land for everyone else. That has been their mindset for 1500 years.

What genocide?
What people did ancestors genocide or forcibly removed from their lands?

[Valmy]

Every communist fanboy: that wasn't real communism! 

I mean it wasn't. In real communism there is no state and we will live in an anarchist utopia.

But, of course, that is about as realistic as Santa Claus being a solution to world hunger.

[Solmyr]

The capitalist boot is more stylish and trendy though.

And they sell it to you first.

[OttoVonBismarck]

What people did ancestors genocide or forcibly removed from their lands?

Every square inch of colonial France and all of modern day Quebec are not yours. No person of European ancestry lived there before the 1500s, and there is no legitimacy to their presence. Native peoples didn't draw up land plots, deeds of ownership etc, tribal peoples traditionally make "use of" very large amounts of land but not in a way similar to the way more developed societies handle land ownership.

Unless you're living in France, you are on stolen land, it's really that simple. There is no legitimacy to your presence in North America.

[Grey Fox]

That's not his question.

[The Minsky Moment]

Ok. So if Viper leaves Quebec and moves to Switzerland or something can he then be upset about civilian deaths? Just checking.

The so-called Swiss are descendants of the oppressors of the Helvetii, who in turn oppressed the La Tene, then the Halstatt, Urnfield culture, Bell Beakers etc etc all down to the original crime of homo sapiens displacing the Neanderthals.

[grumbler]

Ok. So if Viper leaves Quebec and moves to Switzerland or something can he then be upset about civilian deaths? Just checking.

The so-called Swiss are descendants of the oppressors of the Helvetii, who in turn oppressed the La Tene, then the Halstatt, Urnfield culture, Bell Beakers etc etc all down to the original crime of homo sapiens displacing the Neanderthals.

And the Neanderthals displaced other animal species, so we are down to the trilobites or so as the only legitimate occupants of earth.  The whole "settler-colonist" concept completely misses the point.  Justice doesn't come from some imaginary "indigenes" being "compensated" for losing their land.  It comes from people doing onto others what they would wish done to them.  Israel can stake no claim to justice when it come to Palestinians - nor the reverse.

[OttoVonBismarck]

That's not his question.

Any occupation of land that your blood isn't linked to, is genocide. That is the rubric you pro-Hamas are promoting here. Live with your own standards.

[Grey Fox]

That's not his question.

Any occupation of land that your blood isn't linked to, is genocide. That is the rubric you pro-Hamas are promoting here. Live with your own standards.

More noise from the fascist brigade. You should leave and join MGT on the path of the next hurricane.

[grumbler]

That's not his question.

Any occupation of land that your blood isn't linked to, is genocide. That is the rubric you pro-Hamas are promoting here. Live with your own standards.

Lines like "land that your blood isn't linked to" make you sound pretty fascisty.  Might want to tone down the racist rhetoric a bit.

And I think that your lectures to the non-existent "pro-Hamas" are a waste of your time here.  They'll be better-received if you stick to Stormfront.