2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[Razgovory]

I won't vote Democratic if goes full antisemitism.

I know there's a concerted effort by Hamastans to get the Democrats on their side (and punish them if they don't). But are they successful in that endeavour, beyond a few outliers?

No, not yet.  But the polls show they are successful with the under 30 crowd.  The over 30 crowd, the people who remember the last intifada aren't as keen on seeing another one though.

[Valmy]

I won't vote Democratic if goes full antisemitism.

I know there's a concerted effort by Hamastans to get the Democrats on their side (and punish them if they don't). But are they successful in that endeavour, beyond a few outliers?

No, not yet.  But the polls show they are successful with the under 30 crowd.  The over 30 crowd, the people who remember the last intifada aren't as keen on seeing another one though.

The current Gaza business is in everybody's face right now. Once things simmer down the under 30 crowd will move on.

[crazy canuck]

What is a Hamastan - some weird slur?

[Duque de Bragança]

What is a Hamastan - some weird slur?

A typo?  Should be Hamastani, if one wants a more accurate Near/Middle East flavour.

[Jacob]

That's probably smart, to be honest it is just an emotional response to annoyance. The issue for people like me is I was a life long Republican / conservative, and really in a meta sense I think I am still a conservative--I'm just not an extremist, which is what the GOP has become. But I don't find it easy to walk with the Democrats on many issues, particularly the online left.

The online left can be pretty obnoxious, yes, and the more radical parts of it can be downright repulsive. As you may recall, I've spent a good part of my life on the left and I've found myself questioning a lot of the BS.

On voting etc - I'd suggest that the Trumpist right is a clear and present danger to the rule of law and democracy, having compromised a number of institutions, states and process; and with a clearly stated intent to further damage the Republic. The Hamastan left and allies are very obnoxious and sometimes dangerous in individual cases, but poses no danger to the nation, to the international system, or to the rule of law.

Not that I don't sympathize with the emotional response, but they are problems of entirely different magnitudes IMO.

[Jacob]

What is a Hamastan - some weird slur?

I'm assuming it's a portmanteau of Hamas and -stan. Someone stanning for Hamas. A Hamas fan.

[Josquius]

That's probably smart, to be honest it is just an emotional response to annoyance. The issue for people like me is I was a life long Republican / conservative, and really in a meta sense I think I am still a conservative--I'm just not an extremist, which is what the GOP has become. But I don't find it easy to walk with the Democrats on many issues, particularly the online left.

Surely that's the key difference.
GOP have the shit for brains psychos in charge, sensible people shouting from the sides.
Dems have the sensible people in charge, shit for brains psychos shouting from the sides.

I'm a committed socialist. But if the choice was a binary between a tankie nutter whose policies spelled disaster at best or a moderate conservative... I'd be doing something that under normal circumstances would appear a sign of mental illness and voting conservative.

I won't vote Democratic if goes full antisemitism.

I know there's a concerted effort by Hamastans to get the Democrats on their side (and punish them if they don't). But are they successful in that endeavour, beyond a few outliers?

No, not yet.  But the polls show they are successful with the under 30 crowd.  The over 30 crowd, the people who remember the last intifada aren't as keen on seeing another one though.

The current Gaza business is in everybody's face right now. Once things simmer down the under 30 crowd will move on.

Trouble is, key to why it blew up when it did was in part Russia and Iran seeing it as very useful to them.
I can't see them letting it go away when they still have eyes on the prize of getting their man installed in Washington.

[FunkMonk]

I hate to say it but an increase in my interactions with online lefties who are Hamastans has me seriously considering just going back to voting straight ticket Republican. Like if this is what the opposition looks like I may just accept fascism, and try to boost it so the GOP hurts those people as much as possible.

Just vote with your heart dude. Vote for Donald.

No matter what happens, you're an old white male conservative. You are safe in America. Unless violent woke activists seize power, in which case you would be among the first against the wall.

[Tamas]

I know it goes against my previously stated optimism, but I am under the impression that Trump is very much like Boris Johnson in that many people want him in power (maybe not admitting even to themselves) because of the entertainment and the thrill ride - after all, people like to watch horror movies.

[Solmyr]

The US badly needs more than two major parties.

[DGuller]

The US badly needs a system that doesn't force the political factions to collapse into two parties.

[The Brain]

The US badly needs a system that doesn't force the political factions to collapse into two parties.

OK Xi.

[Josquius]

The US badly needs a system that doesn't force the political factions to collapse into two parties.

OK Xi.

Or. You know. Your country.

[grumbler]

The US badly needs a system that doesn't force the political factions to collapse into two parties.

OK Xi.

He said, Xi said...

[viper37]

What is a Hamastan - some weird slur?

It's Raz way of saying he drank the MAGA Kool Aid.

He just thinks he'll fare better than the others if he shows sympathy to the party.

Lots of people who thought so to died in the camps during WWII.

Then again, Mono might be doing very well for himself these days.