2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[DGuller]

Is that the same Seltzer poll, or some other one?

[Habbaku]

It's Selzer. A seltzer poll is when we ask Syt to evaluate the bubbly.

[Grey Fox]

I saw some people doing election math using the abortion referendum numbers for Kansas mail-in votes. Their conclusion is that Kansas is going blue.

Pollster have been over correcting MAGA support & under correcting women turn out with extremely small sample size.

Call me naively optimistic but this is going to be a Republican slaughter*.

*Question about sentence structure, is it 'victim slaughter' or 'perpetrator slaughter'?*

[Barrister]

New poll has Democrats up in two Iowa Congressional districts, including mine. 

Just curious how you went from wanting Trump to lose badly (in which I agree) to wanting the Dems to win broadly in down-ballot races?

[Habbaku]

I'm not Yi, but the best possible result for me is a complete slaughter of Republicans up and down the ballot to purge any thought that Trumpism can win in the future.

[frunk]

Yeah, we need an alternative to the Democrats that aren't insane, and until Trumpism is eliminated there is only one party in the US that I'll vote for.

The US won't last for long with only one sane main party, because either the Republicans gain control and progressively destroy the country, or the Democrats will become more corrupt over time without a valid alternative to them.  Republicans need to be violently rebuked now so they can be reformed, restored and become that valid alternative (or a third party rises to take their place).

[Solmyr]

You guys need more parties, although it's probably not gonna happen without a major electoral reform.

[Barrister]

I'm not Yi, but the best possible result for me is a complete slaughter of Republicans up and down the ballot to purge any thought that Trumpism can win in the future.

I dunno man - GOP lost big in 2008, only to come roaring back in 2010 with Tea Partyism.  Which I didn't have a problem with several aspects of, but in retrospect seemed to be a harbinger of Trumpism.

I'm just cheering for a massive rebuke of Trump, personally, with the GOP otherwise doing fairly well.  I think that would be the best purge of Trumpism you could get.

[DGuller]

The best purge of Trump is the one where all his accomplices and enablers suffer no consequences and continue collecting political benefits from his movement? 

[HVC]

Yeah, the only Republicans that should be rewarded with a vote, if someone is inclined to vote conservative, are those that publicly disavowed Trump. Unfortunately those can be counted on a single hand of a particularly clumsy chainsaw juggler.

[Admiral Yi]

Just curious how you went from wanting Trump to lose badly (in which I agree) to wanting the Dems to win broadly in down-ballot races?

1. They, the Republicans, had their chance at redemption during the two impeachment trials.
2. They are pandering to the same collection of thugs, grifters, and religious kooks as Trump is
3. They are wrong on every single policy issue in this election.

[Barrister]

Yeah, the only Republicans that should be rewarded with a vote, if someone is inclined to vote conservative, are those that publicly disavowed Trump. Unfortunately those can be counted on a single hand of a particularly clumsy chainsaw juggler.

So in a sense of cosmic justice this is correct.

But as you probably know, all those Republicans who publicly disavowed Trump are out of office.  Your Liz Cheney's, your Adam Kinsingers - all gone.

But what happens if you have a massive Republican wipe-out?  Now you're going to have a massive push claiming Harris has some huge mandate, who knows what gets passed, and then the inevitable swing back to the Republicans.

I think the better prospect is for Trump, personally to be defeated, for guys like Mike Johnson and Lindsey Graham to just kind of forget they ever knew the man and just move on.

Not so personally satisfying, but much more likely to end better.

[Barrister]

3. They are wrong on every single policy issue in this election.

Exactly what policies are the GOP (as a party) even running on?

[Admiral Yi]

Exactly what policies are the GOP (as a party) even running on?

Tariffs, deportation, unconditional support for Israel, ditch Ukraine (implied).

[HVC]

And they would have a mandate, wouldn't they? Anti trumpers aren't anti Trump just because he's personally repuganant, but so are his policies (what little are actually articulated). If he was privately horrible but had good policies he'd be less of a existential threat to American policies.

Regardless, You can't stop a movement by pruning. You have to dismantle it root and stem. Taking out Trump but leaving everything else just allows the next guy to take it further. A politically talented, rather then just a charismaticaly talented, person is much more dangerous. And they'll be next. Grachhus only leads the way, someone else has to come along to damn the republic.