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Should Ukraine Assassinate Putin?

Started by mongers, February 25, 2023, 08:41:40 AM

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Should Ukraine Assassinate Putin?

Yes
5 (31.3%)
No
6 (37.5%)
Some other state should do.
0 (0%)
No, Take a contract out on him with the Mafia or other organised crime
1 (6.3%)
Don't know
4 (25%)

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mongers

February 25, 2023, 08:41:40 AM
Should Ukraine attempt to assassinate Validmir Putin as a way to possibly end the war or just seek justice?

Upsides, downsides to your choice?
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celedhring

#1
February 25, 2023, 08:54:03 AM
They should hire Jaron to do it.

garbon

#2
February 25, 2023, 08:55:25 AM
I voted in the other poll.
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mongers

#3
February 25, 2023, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 25, 2023, 08:55:25 AMI voted in the other poll.

Thank you.  :unsure:
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Valmy

#4
February 25, 2023, 10:54:56 AM
I think they just need to get Putin to stand near a window, that seems fatal enough in Russia.
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Threviel

#5
February 25, 2023, 11:51:56 AM
Kill him and the war ends, so kill him if at all possible.

Jacob

#6
February 25, 2023, 01:17:20 PM
I deleted the erroneous poll.

Razgovory

#7
February 25, 2023, 01:43:09 PM
Accidently voted "Don't know".  Should be "no".
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viper37

#8
February 25, 2023, 02:03:39 PM
Quote from: Threviel on February 25, 2023, 11:51:56 AMKill him and the war ends, so kill him if at all possible.
If only that was so simple...

I don't think the war will end.  Someone will take his place and that someone will be faced with the same challenge: retreat, be blamed and be ousted from power and likely be killed for the failures.

The best possible scenario is to wait until the Russians themselves are fed up and someone decides to eliminate him.  But that will take time and many more loss of life. :(

Norwegian chief of defence estimates casualties at 100 000 soldiers killed and wounded for Ukraine and 180 000 for Russia, plus 30 000 civilians killed (confirmed so far).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War


Having western tanks and fighter jets will be a game changer for Ukraine for sure, but the conflict will still be long and bloody.

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Tonitrus

#9
February 25, 2023, 06:39:43 PM
No, as I don't see any upside, nor would it change anything.

Anyone who'd replace him will just keep the war going.  The biggest "gain" of the formal annexation of parts of Ukraine is that any successor is inherently committed to keep trying for them in order to survive politically.  And the "how" of Putin's death can still matter.  If he dies of natural causes (possible at any time at his age), it will be an "oh well" politically...a successor is more likely to come from the establishment (such as, say someone like Gerasimov)  If he is assassinated, it only serves to provide support to the more radical of the pro-war elements...those that might think trying a nuke or two would be worthwhile. 

And...better to not rock the boat when the enemy is already working hard at losing.

mongers

#10
February 25, 2023, 06:48:01 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 25, 2023, 01:17:20 PMI deleted the erroneous poll.

Thanks Jacob. :cheers:
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grumbler

#11
February 26, 2023, 12:18:55 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 25, 2023, 06:39:43 PMNo, as I don't see any upside, nor would it change anything.

Anyone who'd replace him will just keep the war going.  The biggest "gain" of the formal annexation of parts of Ukraine is that any successor is inherently committed to keep trying for them in order to survive politically.  And the "how" of Putin's death can still matter.  If he dies of natural causes (possible at any time at his age), it will be an "oh well" politically...a successor is more likely to come from the establishment (such as, say someone like Gerasimov)  If he is assassinated, it only serves to provide support to the more radical of the pro-war elements...those that might think trying a nuke or two would be worthwhile. 

And...better to not rock the boat when the enemy is already working hard at losing.

Agreed.  Napoleon wisely noted that one should "never interrupt an enemy while he is making a mistake."

There's no likely change in Russian leadership that would be a change for the better.
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crazy canuck

#12
February 27, 2023, 03:10:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 26, 2023, 12:18:55 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 25, 2023, 06:39:43 PMNo, as I don't see any upside, nor would it change anything.

Anyone who'd replace him will just keep the war going.  The biggest "gain" of the formal annexation of parts of Ukraine is that any successor is inherently committed to keep trying for them in order to survive politically.  And the "how" of Putin's death can still matter.  If he dies of natural causes (possible at any time at his age), it will be an "oh well" politically...a successor is more likely to come from the establishment (such as, say someone like Gerasimov)  If he is assassinated, it only serves to provide support to the more radical of the pro-war elements...those that might think trying a nuke or two would be worthwhile. 

And...better to not rock the boat when the enemy is already working hard at losing.

Agreed.  Napoleon wisely noted that one should "never interrupt an enemy while he is making a mistake."

There's no likely change in Russian leadership that would be a change for the better.

Agreed.  The best way for this war to end is for Putin to be removed politically by internal forces - one way or the other.  Not make a martyr out of him.  That creates the circumstances for never ending hostilities.

Barrister

#13
February 27, 2023, 03:17:16 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a de-facto state of war exists between Ukraine and Russia, both Putin and Zelenskyy are legitimate targets, no?
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crazy canuck

#14
February 27, 2023, 03:19:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 27, 2023, 03:17:16 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but when a de-facto state of war exists between Ukraine and Russia, both Putin and Zelenskyy are legitimate targets, no?


But isn't that a different question from whether one should take out the opposing leader?
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