Most American young men are single. Most young women are not.

[Valmy]

There was a time when heterosexual women wanted to form a long-term relationship with a man with less education and earnings than herself? Certainly not a time I was dating. That was, generally, the thing you were filtered for.

There was a time when they didn't have many options to marry someone earning less then themselves unless they married an unemployed man

Right. I think it is more about their rising status than having higher standards.

Damn.  I hate it when women have high standards.

Do you pursue relationships with women very often?

[Admiral Yi]

I feel like there is something left out of these stats. If 34 percent of young women are single and 63 percent of young men then those stats should be flipped for older adults yes?

Yeah, which means the correlary of the young adult male incel is the middle aged female incel.  Which might explain the rise of the Karen.

[Valmy]

I feel like there is something left out of these stats. If 34 percent of young women are single and 63 percent of young men then those stats should be flipped for older adults yes?

Yeah, which means the correlary of the young adult male incel is the middle aged female incel.  Which might explain the rise of the Karen.

Maybe the young adult males should pursue lots of Karens. Two societal problems defeated.

Hell they all seem to already want to have sex with their step moms if my internet research is to be believed.

[Jacob]

I'm seeing conversations about this in some of the European media I follow as well, and I think it matches some of what I'm seeing discussed in China and Japan as well.

And yet... if 60 percent of young men being unattached indicates all those things, I think it'd be worthwhile to compare that rate to rates in the past. When was it different, and how different was it?

[The Brain]

I feel like there is something left out of these stats. If 34 percent of young women are single and 63 percent of young men then those stats should be flipped for older adults yes?

Yeah, which means the correlary of the young adult male incel is the middle aged female incel.  Which might explain the rise of the Karen.

Maybe the young adult males should pursue lots of Karens. Two societal problems defeated.

Hell they all seem to already want to have sex with their step mom's if my internet research is to be believed.

The incels are not managers though.

[HVC]

I feel like there is something left out of these stats. If 34 percent of young women are single and 63 percent of young men then those stats should be flipped for older adults yes?

Yeah, which means the correlary of the young adult male incel is the middle aged female incel.  Which might explain the rise of the Karen.

You can find them in the women freaking out about Leo's dating habits

[Jacob]

Yeah, which means the correlary of the young adult male incel is the middle aged female incel.  Which might explain the rise of the Karen.

Do you think there's actually been a change in middle aged female behavriour? I always had the whole "Karen" thing down to a social media fashion to look for, name, and share a certain set of behaviour that always existed.

[HVC]

I'm seeing conversations about this in some of the European media I follow as well, and I think it matches some of what I'm seeing discussed in China and Japan as well.

And yet... if 60 percent of young men being unattached indicates all those things, I think it'd be worthwhile to compare that rate to rates in the past. When was it different, and how different was it?

As a percentage of men marring and carrying on their genes, probably similar. A lot less young men dying in wars after ww2. Historical peace has its down sides.

[Barrister]

I feel like there is something left out of these stats. If 34 percent of young women are single and 63 percent of young men then those stats should be flipped for older adults yes?

Yeah, which means the correlary of the young adult male incel is the middle aged female incel.  Which might explain the rise of the Karen.

A "Karen" is typically an entitled middle-aged woman, most likely married (whether happy or not).

Feels like the opposite of an incel, who doesn't have the self-esteem that a Karen has.

[Barrister]

I feel like there is something left out of these stats. If 34 percent of young women are single and 63 percent of young men then those stats should be flipped for older adults yes?

Yeah, which means the correlary of the young adult male incel is the middle aged female incel.  Which might explain the rise of the Karen.

You can find them in the women freaking out about Leo's dating habits

Leo's dating habits are getting creepier and creepier though...

[Valmy]

I'm seeing conversations about this in some of the European media I follow as well, and I think it matches some of what I'm seeing discussed in China and Japan as well.

And yet... if 60 percent of young men being unattached indicates all those things, I think it'd be worthwhile to compare that rate to rates in the past. When was it different, and how different was it?

It does seem like back in ye olde tymes men would marry much younger women and younger men would be finding their way in the world. Even my more recent ancestors had a time where they had to fend for themselves before inheriting the family farm and settling down later in life. But I don't know, as I wasn't there. For my parent's generation (Silent Generation) it seems like there was an expectation of both sexes marrying right out of High School. Maybe that period was the anomaly.

[HVC]

I feel like there is something left out of these stats. If 34 percent of young women are single and 63 percent of young men then those stats should be flipped for older adults yes?

Yeah, which means the correlary of the young adult male incel is the middle aged female incel.  Which might explain the rise of the Karen.

You can find them in the women freaking out about Leo's dating habits

Leo's dating habits are getting creepier and creepier though...

He's a celebrity, they're always on the far side of the bell curve. But why care enough to be offended? The models obviously get something out of it or they wouldn't do it. And no one cares when it's a madona or Shakira craddle robbing 

[Barrister]

I'm seeing conversations about this in some of the European media I follow as well, and I think it matches some of what I'm seeing discussed in China and Japan as well.

And yet... if 60 percent of young men being unattached indicates all those things, I think it'd be worthwhile to compare that rate to rates in the past. When was it different, and how different was it?

It does seem like back in ye olde tymes men would marry much younger women and younger men would be finding their way in the world. Even my more recent ancestors had a time where they had to fend for themselves before inheriting the family farm and settling down later in life. But I don't know, as I wasn't there. For my parent's generation (Silent Generation) it seems like there was an expectation of both sexes marrying right out of High School. Maybe that period was the anomaly.

There's a lot of factors out there (like social media and availability of porn), but in our parents generation (mine are firmly Baby Boomers - your parents are older I guess) a man with a high school education (or not even that) could go out and get a well-paying job right away with nothing more than being a physical labourer.  Women, what with the general attitude of discrimination against women plus the relative unimportance of unskilled indoor work, generally could not.

[Valmy]

There's a lot of factors out there (like social media and availability of porn), but in our parents generation (mine are firmly Baby Boomers - your parents are older I guess) a man with a high school education (or not even that) could go out and get a well-paying job right away with nothing more than being a physical labourer.  Women, what with the general attitude of discrimination against women plus the relative unimportance of unskilled indoor work, generally could not.

It is kind of odd though because today labor, especially anything having to do with construction, seems much more expensive than it used to be. It seems like if you wanted to become a contractor or a plumber or those kinds of careers you could do pretty well right out of High School...at least by the standards of somebody that age.

[HVC]

You could, and some do. And by that same token you'd be hard pressed to find a single young construction worker (at least based on Those I know)