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Were the Cathars real?

Started by Josquius, February 10, 2023, 12:18:44 PM

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Were the 12th century Cathars real?

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Syt

Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2023, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2023, 01:11:59 PMThe Cathar are a species of cat people in Star Wars, so: no. They're fictional.

:nerd: :P

Are you sure you're not confusing them with the Caitians, the Star Trek cat people?

Yes: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cathar

And if you played KotOR, you might remember Juhani, a Cathar: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Juhani
(They were also available as player species in SWTOR.)
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Barrister

Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2023, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2023, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2023, 01:11:59 PMThe Cathar are a species of cat people in Star Wars, so: no. They're fictional.

:nerd: :P

Are you sure you're not confusing them with the Caitians, the Star Trek cat people?

Yes: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cathar

And if you played KotOR, you might remember Juhani, a Cathar: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Juhani
(They were also available as player species in SWTOR.)

I should have put a smilie - I was trying to make a joke about how "cat-people" are such a common sci-fi trope.
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The Brain

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Syt

Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2023, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2023, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2023, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2023, 01:11:59 PMThe Cathar are a species of cat people in Star Wars, so: no. They're fictional.

:nerd: :P

Are you sure you're not confusing them with the Caitians, the Star Trek cat people?

Yes: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cathar

And if you played KotOR, you might remember Juhani, a Cathar: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Juhani
(They were also available as player species in SWTOR.)

I should have put a smilie - I was trying to make a joke about how "cat-people" are such a common sci-fi trope.

 :blush:
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
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Barrister

Quote from: The Brain on February 10, 2023, 03:42:35 PMTraveller Aslan frown on your shenanigans.

Traveller :wub:



But of course Traveller had not only the cat-like Aslan, but the Vargr who were literally genetically engineered dogs. :rolleyes:

I still think they made up for it by having the truly alien Hivers.

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The Minsky Moment

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I'm familiar with the theory from Mark Gregory Pegg's book.  The outlines have been addressed in other posts above including sheilbh and PDH.  That Occitanian Christianity was just one of many manifestations of regional Christianities with their own little quirks and regional traditions.  Encountering these unfamiliar though harmless practices, university educated churchmen from the outside used wildly anachronistic terminology and heresiological frameworks from reading late classical and early medieval authors.  Overlay that with the complex political and social interaction between the expanding Capetian state and the unruly south that provided a motivation for "finding" an hidden nest of ancient heresy..
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Tonitrus

Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2023, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2023, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2023, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2023, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2023, 01:11:59 PMThe Cathar are a species of cat people in Star Wars, so: no. They're fictional.

:nerd: :P

Are you sure you're not confusing them with the Caitians, the Star Trek cat people?

Yes: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cathar

And if you played KotOR, you might remember Juhani, a Cathar: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Juhani
(They were also available as player species in SWTOR.)

I should have put a smilie - I was trying to make a joke about how "cat-people" are such a common sci-fi trope.

 :blush:

The best cat-aliens are, of course, the Kilrathi.

Legbiter

Tom Holland argued quite persuasively in his last book that the Cathars as a deep and ancient heresy did not exist, instead they were deplorable gammons who didn't get with the revolutionary change sweeping Rome. Add local political rivalries and the promise of loot (Russian soldiers and washing machines inevitably springs to mind) and voila, that's the Albigensian Crusade. :hmm: 
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viper37

Quote from: Tonitrus on February 10, 2023, 10:48:09 PMThe best cat-aliens are, of course, the Kilrathi.
Not the movie version, though. :yucky:
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Quote from: Legbiter on February 11, 2023, 12:24:14 AMTom Holland argued quite persuasively in his last book that the Cathars as a deep and ancient heresy did not exist, instead they were deplorable gammons who didn't get with the revolutionary change sweeping Rome. Add local political rivalries and the promise of loot (Russian soldiers and washing machines inevitably springs to mind) and voila, that's the Albigensian Crusade. :hmm: 
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garbon

Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 12, 2023, 07:30:48 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on February 11, 2023, 12:24:14 AMTom Holland argued quite persuasively in his last book that the Cathars as a deep and ancient heresy did not exist, instead they were deplorable gammons who didn't get with the revolutionary change sweeping Rome. Add local political rivalries and the promise of loot (Russian soldiers and washing machines inevitably springs to mind) and voila, that's the Albigensian Crusade. :hmm: 
What the fuck would a Spiderman actor know about the subject?  :wacko:

I also think I'd taken theorizing with a grain of salt from that author.
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Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Oexmelin

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 10, 2023, 04:51:13 PMI'm familiar with the theory from Mark Gregory Pegg's book.  The outlines have been addressed in other posts above including sheilbh and PDH.  That Occitanian Christianity was just one of many manifestations of regional Christianities with their own little quirks and regional traditions.  Encountering these unfamiliar though harmless practices, university educated churchmen from the outside used wildly anachronistic terminology and heresiological frameworks from reading late classical and early medieval authors.  Overlay that with the complex political and social interaction between the expanding Capetian state and the unruly south that provided a motivation for "finding" an hidden nest of ancient heresy..

What did you think of the book?
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garbon

Quote from: Syt on February 12, 2023, 10:36:19 AMDifferent Tom Holland. :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Holland_(author)

Despite my poorly constructed sentence, I was trying to refer to the author not the actor. -_-
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Oexmelin on February 12, 2023, 10:42:45 AMWhat did you think of the book?

It's been a while.  What I recall is that he used a lot of direct quotations to give a sense of narrative drive.  It made the book more readable, but I kept thinking about the selection and reliability of sources.  The books addressed that in part, especially with regard to the inquisitorial records, but not entirely. 

It was interesting to read because I had approached the book with the vague prior understanding of unreconstructed gnostics scattered about the Occitan countryside and Pegg made the forceful case against that understanding.
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