Victoria 3

[DGuller]

HOI4 definitely has plenty of tactical micromanagement, if you want it (which you should, as otherwise you might suffer some casualties).  For that matter, it has plenty of strategic micromanagement as well, since front lines fall apart pretty regularly.

[Razgovory]

So is this game just not going to have military units?

[Zanza]

Maybe moving from tactical to strategical level allows them to build a competitive AI.

[The Minsky Moment]

It's VERY cool they have the guts to move away from standard Paradox stack chasing like that. I hope the crying on their forum won't be too much for leadership to make them revert.

My thoughts exactly.
E.g. Having to siege every crappy Mexican province to get the historical peace is not an experience that needs repeating.

Hopefully it will also help them address the never solved problem of how to model warfare in the 19th century wars of unification AND also the WW1 era

[The Minsky Moment]

So is this game just not going to have military units?

I think there will be units but they just won't be icons you move around on a map.  Rather you assign them to fronts and assign leaders to them with different capabilities.

[Richard Hakluyt]

The devil is in the detail but I am really pleased with their aims here. I do hope we see the corps and divisions moving about on the map though. I look forward to seeing my armies being comprehensively out-manouevred by the Germans because I foolishly failed to invest in an adequate general staff 

[jimmy olsen]

This is insanely ambitious. If they can pull it off is the question.

[Razgovory]

It will probably resemble HOI4's battle system except that the AI controls both sides.

[DGuller]

It will probably resemble HOI4's battle system except that the AI controls both sides.

That wouldn't be the worst thing, since HOI4 AI does simulate WW1 warfare pretty well.

[crazy canuck]

This is insanely ambitious. If they can pull it off is the question.

My uneducated guess is it might be easier than trying to code AI to move a bunch of units around the map.

[Tamas]

This is insanely ambitious. If they can pull it off is the question.

My uneducated guess is it might be easier than trying to code AI to move a bunch of units around the map.

Yeah the challenge is more about making it in a way that people used to microing stacks in an entirely unrealistic matter will still find it fun and not bury the game under negative reviews.

[KRonn]

It's VERY cool they have the guts to move away from standard Paradox stack chasing like that. I hope the crying on their forum won't be too much for leadership to make them revert.

My thoughts exactly.
E.g. Having to siege every crappy Mexican province to get the historical peace is not an experience that needs repeating.

Hopefully it will also help them address the never solved problem of how to model warfare in the 19th century wars of unification AND also the WW1 era

I'm keeping an open mind on this but I tend to like what they're trying to do with changing combat in this game. It's more a strategic game with the economy, colonies, etc so I guess they're trying to do something similar with combat. I haven't seen what navies and naval combat will be like.

[Habbaku]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-23-fronts-and-generals.1497106/

[crazy canuck]

Excitement level increased.  I will honour the promise to myself never to buy a paradox game on release again, after this one.

[Habbaku]

I was very pleased with my at-release purchase of CK3. So they've earned another at-release purchase with this.