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Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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Syt

Zelensky was in Vienna yesterday. The FPÖ was "outraged" that the visit was timed to "distract from the budget debate in parliament" and also complained about playing host to a "warmonger"  and acting against Austrian neutrality (to which the social democrats replied that Zelensky visited Switzerland, too, and Switzerland's neutrality was still intact), etc..

When the chair of the NEOS parliamentary group spoke about his (and other MPs') visit to the mass graves in Bucha, the second chair of the FPÖ parliament group, Dagmar Belakowitsch, shouted, "You had a lot of fun there, didn't you?" This has been condemned by all other parties, though unlikely anything will happen to her. (Side note: the FPÖ has refused to participate in any political travels to Ukraine; they did send "observers" to the Crimean "referendum" back in the day, though <_< .)
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Legbiter

QuoteThe head of Russia's Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, gave quite candid take: growth over the past two years came from tapping idle resources - unused labor, spare capacity, bank capital, and the Wealth Fund. Her warning: "Many of these resources are now truly exhausted."

God, I hope so.

https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1937673376564412702
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mongers

Quote from: Legbiter on June 25, 2025, 05:22:39 AM
QuoteThe head of Russia's Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, gave quite candid take: growth over the past two years came from tapping idle resources - unused labor, spare capacity, bank capital, and the Wealth Fund. Her warning: "Many of these resources are now truly exhausted."

God, I hope so.

https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1937673376564412702

And her own potential energy will remain high for only a relatively short time.
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PJL

Quote from: mongers on June 25, 2025, 06:32:34 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on June 25, 2025, 05:22:39 AM
QuoteThe head of Russia's Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, gave quite candid take: growth over the past two years came from tapping idle resources - unused labor, spare capacity, bank capital, and the Wealth Fund. Her warning: "Many of these resources are now truly exhausted."

God, I hope so.

https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1937673376564412702

And her own potential energy will remain high for only a relatively short time.

Indeed, to be followed by a brief increase in kinetic energy before that too goes.

Valmy

Quote from: Syt on June 17, 2025, 07:09:31 AMZelensky was in Vienna yesterday. The FPÖ was "outraged" that the visit was timed to "distract from the budget debate in parliament" and also complained about playing host to a "warmonger"  and acting against Austrian neutrality (to which the social democrats replied that Zelensky visited Switzerland, too, and Switzerland's neutrality was still intact), etc..

When the chair of the NEOS parliamentary group spoke about his (and other MPs') visit to the mass graves in Bucha, the second chair of the FPÖ parliament group, Dagmar Belakowitsch, shouted, "You had a lot of fun there, didn't you?" This has been condemned by all other parties, though unlikely anything will happen to her. (Side note: the FPÖ has refused to participate in any political travels to Ukraine; they did send "observers" to the Crimean "referendum" back in the day, though <_< .)

Austrians cheering on fascism and aggressive war? What madness is this?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Legbiter

Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2025, 10:05:56 AMAustrians cheering on fascism and aggressive war? What madness is this?

Eh, a few mil you can at least rent most of the Austrian political establishment.
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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2025, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: Syt on June 17, 2025, 07:09:31 AMZelensky was in Vienna yesterday. The FPÖ was "outraged" that the visit was timed to "distract from the budget debate in parliament" and also complained about playing host to a "warmonger"  and acting against Austrian neutrality (to which the social democrats replied that Zelensky visited Switzerland, too, and Switzerland's neutrality was still intact), etc..

When the chair of the NEOS parliamentary group spoke about his (and other MPs') visit to the mass graves in Bucha, the second chair of the FPÖ parliament group, Dagmar Belakowitsch, shouted, "You had a lot of fun there, didn't you?" This has been condemned by all other parties, though unlikely anything will happen to her. (Side note: the FPÖ has refused to participate in any political travels to Ukraine; they did send "observers" to the Crimean "referendum" back in the day, though <_< .)

Austrians cheering on fascism and aggressive war? What madness is this?

Austrians cheering on Fascism made sense when Mussolini was the only one to resist Hitler's first attempt at the Anschluss.  :P
Nowadays...

Valmy

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 25, 2025, 12:02:37 PMAustrians cheering on Fascism made sense when Mussolini was the only one to resist Hitler's first attempt at the Anschluss.  :P
Nowadays...

True.

But I was more making a reference to this:



Than Engelbert Dollfuss. I mean say what you want about history's tiniest dictator, he at least wasn't a warmonger.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Duque de Bragança

#19328
Indeed. The Austrian corporatist régime was closer in kind to Salazar's régime than Mussolini's, as a matter of fact. Missing key components of Fascism, such as warmongering, as you pointed out.
No cult of personality, or 'New Man' as well. Authoritarian and right-wing certainly, totalitarian no.

Salazar's Bridge (based on the Golden Gate) does not count.  :P

P-S : Metaxas' régime in Greece is another close example.

grumbler

Quote from: mongers on June 25, 2025, 06:32:34 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on June 25, 2025, 05:22:39 AM
QuoteThe head of Russia's Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, gave quite candid take: growth over the past two years came from tapping idle resources - unused labor, spare capacity, bank capital, and the Wealth Fund. Her warning: "Many of these resources are now truly exhausted."

God, I hope so.

https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1937673376564412702

And her own potential energy will remain high for only a relatively short time.
It will be converted into kinetic energy with high efficiency.
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Nabiulina to Putin is what nuclear physicists were to Stalin:  too valuable to repress for things that would be fatal for others.

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and it seems Trump is lifting sanctions....

Razgovory

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 25, 2025, 01:06:07 PMIndeed. The Austrian corporatist régime was closer in kind to Salazar's régime than Mussolini's, as a matter of fact. Missing key components of Fascism, such as warmongering, as you pointed out.
No cult of personality, or 'New Man' as well. Authoritarian and right-wing certainly, totalitarian no.

Salazar's Bridge (based on the Golden Gate) does not count.  :P

P-S : Metaxas' régime in Greece is another close example.

I don't think warmongering is a required component.  Mussolini didn't become a fascist only after he started attacking other countries.  Totalitarianism is sort of a sliding scale.  Totalitarian was a term first used fascist Italy, but you were much freer in 1930's Italy than you were in say, the Soviet Union at the same time.
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Josquius

You don't need to be actively at war to be militaristic/ warmongering.
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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Razgovory on June 29, 2025, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 25, 2025, 01:06:07 PMIndeed. The Austrian corporatist régime was closer in kind to Salazar's régime than Mussolini's, as a matter of fact. Missing key components of Fascism, such as warmongering, as you pointed out.
No cult of personality, or 'New Man' as well. Authoritarian and right-wing certainly, totalitarian no.

Salazar's Bridge (based on the Golden Gate) does not count.  :P

P-S : Metaxas' régime in Greece is another close example.

I don't think warmongering is a required component.  Mussolini didn't become a fascist only after he started attacking other countries.  Totalitarianism is sort of a sliding scale.  Totalitarian was a term first used fascist Italy, but you were much freer in 1930's Italy than you were in say, the Soviet Union at the same time.

Hardly new. Rome was not built in a day.
Despite being originally a socialist (with some corporatist/socialist influence in his later régime) Mussolini being way down from Stalin in terms of mass murders, massacres, much less so genocide, is hardly polemical, except for leftists.

Besides, I was speaking of Salazar, Dolfuss/Schuschnigg and Metaxas, in a minor league of their own vs Mussolini; these three régimes not militaristic/warmongering, among other differences.