From the "Black People Arrest Themselves" files

Started by CountDeMoney, July 21, 2009, 05:35:20 AM

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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 28, 2009, 05:31:02 PM
Bet you Officer Crowley would have recognized him, even if he is just a prof in a gigantic megalopolis that is Cambridge, MA.
I think you overestimate the ability of regular folks to recognize anyone who isn't on the cover of People Magazine. 
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Caliga

 :huh: Since when are people that concerned with a city's physical size?

I don't think many people consider Jacksonville to be America's largest city... even though it is in terms of square mileage.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 28, 2009, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 28, 2009, 06:42:19 PM
True...but how is that relevant.  That does help on my analogy side though. That's why Cambridge really just feels like a neighborhood of Boston.
Boston itself is tiny.  It's a fucking postage stamp.
What's your point?
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garbon

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 28, 2009, 06:43:53 PM
Boston itself is tiny.  It's a fucking postage stamp.
Larger than where I live.
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CountDeMoney

Hey Minsky, here's a good oh-loady-whoa-is-us column for you, what with the Black Man being your muscle:

QuoteA reminder for blacks: Too often, we still all look alike

Please take a good look at Professor Henry Louis Gates.

He is 5-foot-7, weighs 150 pounds, wears glasses and uses a cane. His legs are of unequal length, his mustache and goatee are gray. He is 58 years old and looks it.

It's important to see Mr. Gates - scholar, author, documentarian, Harvard University professor and African-American man - because that's what Sgt. James Crowley of the Cambridge, Mass., police department apparently did not do in the July 16 confrontation that has ignited debate about racial bias in the U.S. "justice" system.

For the three of you who do not know: The incident began when Mr. Gates, returning home from a trip to China, found his front door jammed. When he and his driver tried to force it, a neighbor, thinking it a burglary in progress, did the right thing and called police. Mr. Crowley responded, finding the driver gone and Mr. Gates inside. There are two versions of what happened next.

Police say Mr. Gates refused to comply with Mr. Crowley's order to step outside, initially would not identify himself and became belligerent, yelling that Mr. Crowley, who is white, is a racist, that he didn't know who he was messing with and that this was only happening because Mr. Gates is black.

Mr. Gates says he promptly produced his driver's license and Harvard ID, that the officer refused to provide his name and badge number, and that he could not have yelled anything because he has a severe bronchial infection.

This much is not in dispute: Mr. Gates was arrested after providing proof he was lawfully occupying his own home. The police report says he was "exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior in a public place." That being his own front porch. Small wonder the charge has been dropped.

And here, Mr. Crowley's defenders would want you to know he is not some Central Casting redneck but an experienced officer who has led diversity workshops.

On the other hand, Mr. Gates is hardly Sister Souljah himself. Rather, he is a man who did the things African-Americans are always advised to do - work hard, get a good education, better yourself, only to discover that in the end, none of it saved him. In the end, he still winds up standing on his front porch with his wrists shackled, just like any drug dealer or carjacker anywhere.

Because sometimes, they just don't see you. It's one of the most frustrating verities of African-American life. Sometimes you simply know: They are looking your way but seeing their fears, their preconceptions, their stereotypes, that other black guy who did them wrong - everything except the one and only you.

By definition, racism denies individuality, and preconceptions leave us blind, making it possible for even a man who leads diversity training to look at a small, graying scholar and see a menace to society. If Mr. Gates was loud and agitated, common sense says Mr. Crowley should've simply removed the source of the agitation - himself. Problem solved.

Instead, he called for backup(!) and took Mr. Gates into custody. And if Mr. Gates looked like a lawbreaker to James Crowley, well, to me he looks like former Los Angeles Lakers star Jamaal Wilkes, pulled over because the tags on his car were "about to" expire; like clean-shaven, 6-foot-4 businessman Earl Graves Jr., detained by police searching for a mustachioed 5-foot-10 suspect; like Amadou Diallo, executed while reaching for his wallet.

And like me, with hands up and a rifle trained on my chest by an officer who later claimed he stopped me in that predominantly white neighborhood for a traffic violation.

Because I look like Henry Louis Gates, he looks like Jamaal Wilkes, and we all look like some dangerous, predatory black man intent on mayhem. So there is no shock here - only a sobering reminder that the old canard is, at some level, true.

We all look alike.

Leonard Pitts Jr. is a columnist for The Miami Herald.

Berkut

You know, cops do stupid things all the time.

Sometimes, those stupid things will be done around and to a black person.

It's true.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Berkut on July 28, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
You know, cops do stupid things all the time.

Sometimes, those stupid things will be done around and to a black person.

It's true.

No argument here. Seen it plenty.
Doesn't make it raciss, though.

Berkut

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 28, 2009, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 28, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
You know, cops do stupid things all the time.

Sometimes, those stupid things will be done around and to a black person.

It's true.

No argument here. Seen it plenty.
Doesn't make it raciss, though.

I think that depends on how "eminent" the black person is, and how much he can get attention.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 28, 2009, 08:08:55 PM
Hey Minsky, here's a good oh-loady-whoa-is-us column for you, what with the Black Man being your muscle:
This is pretty much the poster child story for the Minsky version of events.  It makes up facts (the cop "finding the driver gone" that Crowley "called for backup" and the claim that the call was made by "a neighbor").  The one true statement here is that "By definition, racism denies individuality, and preconceptions leave us blind" - the question is whether or not that applied to Gates.  Did he ignored the individual, Crowley, who was right in front of him, and was he blinded by his preconception that Crowley would never have investigated this apparent break-in had it been perpetrated by "white" men?
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grumbler

Quote from: Berkut on July 28, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
You know, cops people do stupid things all the time.

Sometimes, those stupid things will be done around and to a black person with a different skin tone.

It's true.
FYP to make it even more true.
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grumbler

Quote from: Berkut on July 28, 2009, 10:03:30 PM
I think that depends on how "eminent" the black person is, and how much he can get attention.
Eminence is over-rated.  Rush Limbaugh is even more eminent than Gates.
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Can I be eminent?

Do I have to go to college for that?



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garbon

Quote from: Berkut on July 28, 2009, 10:03:30 PM
I think that depends on how "eminent" the black person is, and how much he can get attention.

Get a room, Dorsey4racism.
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