Evangelical Christianity and politics - the elephant in the room

[HVC]

I did nothing.

for a second i was wondering what St Francis did wrong. for some reason the name Francis doesn't click as Pope for me. Guess i'm getting even more lapsed as i age.

[Eddie Teach]

did you read past the first line of the OP?

No I didn't. That is why I questioned its veracity in the first line of my post because I didn't read it.

Ok seriously, yes I obviously did read it. Was there some kind of special magic meaning I didn't get that was not evident in the words used?

I get the impression that the thesis in the OP isn't really up for discussion, but merely for confirmation.

[The Minsky Moment]

I can think of nothing that could heal America more than a good old fashioned Augustinian-Pelagian controversy.
Let's call the Tunsians and see if Carthage is still available to hold a council.

[garbon]

I can think of nothing that could heal America more than a good old fashioned Augustinian-Pelagian controversy.
Let's call the Tunsians and see if Carthage is still available to hold a council.

[Sheilbh]

I can think of nothing that could heal America more than a good old fashioned Augustinian-Pelagian controversy.
Let's call the Tunsians and see if Carthage is still available to hold a council.

I have read before that Pelagius is apparently a go to heretic for American evangelicals to sum up their fears of the modern world.

I think it is part of the weird cosplay nature of this - which I don't mean to diminish the seriousness of storming the Capitol or attitudes on the right about Christianity. If anything I think the cosplaying makes it more serious. But you see Christian writers in the US posting the pictures of Copts being murdered in Egypt, or stories from Solzhenitsyn, or the early Church martyrs as an example of the environment that is being created in the US.

On the one hand it's clearly nonsense and offensive to, for example, the Coptic who face very real threats. But I think it does drive politics on part of the right (and increases the drama of the individual resister) - and yes Trump may be morally bad on a personal level, but so were lots Caesars and as long as he's "our" Caesar it's sort of fine. And I wonder how much of that is possibly shaped by the fact that America's always self-consciously had an eye on Rome as the model for a Republic, so that even now a lot of the criticisms of Trump often refer to end of the Roman Republic thinking/precedents.

Ironically from a Catholic perspective Francis has also spent all of his papacy saying the enemies of true Christianity are neo-Pelagianists and neo-Gnostics. In his phrasing the Pelagianists are people who focus so much on appearance and liturgy and rites that they become purely self-referential and trapped in their own sort of structure (it's a temptation we all have but especially the rad trads), while the modern Gnostics are sort of the "spiritual not religious" folks whose spirituality is so abstract and generalised as to, again, end up being purely self-referential.

[Grey Fox]

I did nothing.

for a second i was wondering what St Francis did wrong. for some reason the name Francis doesn't click as Pope for me. Guess i'm getting even more lapsed as i age.

Doesn't click at all for me. We refer to him as François.

[The Larch]

It's obviously Francisco, duh.  Francesco, if you must.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I did nothing.

for a second i was wondering what St Francis did wrong. for some reason the name Francis doesn't click as Pope for me. Guess i'm getting even more lapsed as i age.

Doesn't click at all for me. We refer to him as François.

That just makes me think of president Mitterand 

[Duque de Bragança]

I did nothing.

for a second i was wondering what St Francis did wrong. for some reason the name Francis doesn't click as Pope for me. Guess i'm getting even more lapsed as i age.

Doesn't click at all for me. We refer to him as François.

That just makes me think of president Mitterand 

Pape François is closer to another president François i.e Hollande a.k.a Flanby. 

[Valmy]

Well Mitterand is unlikely to be brought up in the present tense these days.

[Duque de Bragança]

It's obviously Francisco, duh.  Francesco, if you must.

Franciscus. 

[Duque de Bragança]

Well Mitterand is unlikely to be brought up in the present tense these days.

There is this présent de narration in French though. 

[Richard Hakluyt]

I did nothing.

for a second i was wondering what St Francis did wrong. for some reason the name Francis doesn't click as Pope for me. Guess i'm getting even more lapsed as i age.

Doesn't click at all for me. We refer to him as François.

That just makes me think of president Mitterand 

Pape François is closer to another president François i.e Hollande a.k.a Flanby. 

Oh I'd already forgotten about Flanby, consigned to the dustbin of history after a few short years poor fellow 

[Sheilbh]

Oh I'd already forgotten about Flanby, consigned to the dustbin of history after a few short years poor fellow 

Yeah - I feel like of all French President's he's made least impression on the consciousness

[Duque de Bragança]

Oh I'd already forgotten about Flanby, consigned to the dustbin of history after a few short years poor fellow 

Yeah - I feel like of all French President's he's made least impression on the consciousness

You are not the only one(s).