Follow Up: Was the Trump presidency as good/bad as you expected?

[saskganesh]

Voted only a little worse, just because he didn't start a war that got out of control and consumed us all.

[Solmyr]

Voted only a little worse, just because he didn't start a war that got out of control and consumed us all.

Still got a week for that civil war to start.

[saskganesh]

Wednesday was Fort Sumter

[The Brain]

Will you guys relax. The Capitol hasn't fallen to Nazis in almost a week.

[jimmy olsen]

I thought he might get into a reckless war overseas, didn't expect 400k dead from a plague and an attempted coup

[mongers]

Will you guys relax. The Capitol hasn't fallen to Nazis in almost a week.

[DGuller]

What percentage of the dead from Covid in the US can we realistically attribute to Trump?  Without a doubt, his contribution to the government response was disgraceful, but on the other hand, how many countries in our category have done that much better by numbers?  It seems like by the time of the second wave, not a whole lot of Western countries managed to put together a respectable response.

[Sheilbh]

What percentage of the dead from Covid in the US can we realistically attribute to Trump?  Without a doubt, his contribution to the government response was disgraceful, but on the other hand, how many countries in our category have done that much better by numbers?  It seems like by the time of the second wave, not a whole lot of Western countries managed to put together a respectable response.

I find the fact that Andrew Cuomo is publishing a book on his leadership in this crisis astonishing and I sort of feel that wouldn't be happening if there wasn't someone like Trump to take a lot of the criticism.

Edit: And I suppose it depends on what other countries are meaningful comparisons? The most striking thing about the US, is the first wave never really stopped - so if you have a look with the US-EU comparison:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&country=USA~EuropeanUnion&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_cases&pickerSort=desc

Both have a first wave - then the EU has a plateau for most of the summer until the second wave; the US doesn't. The death toll keeps rising, less steeply, all through the summer and then there's a second wave (which is, so far, less severe). That model seems to apply with most European countries whether they did well or not in the first wave. The US is an outlier.

[Admiral Yi]

What percentage of the dead from Covid in the US can we realistically attribute to Trump?  Without a doubt, his contribution to the government response was disgraceful, but on the other hand, how many countries in our category have done that much better by numbers?  It seems like by the time of the second wave, not a whole lot of Western countries managed to put together a respectable response.

Agreed.

[The Brain]

What percentage of the dead from Covid in the US can we realistically attribute to Trump?  Without a doubt, his contribution to the government response was disgraceful, but on the other hand, how many countries in our category have done that much better by numbers?  It seems like by the time of the second wave, not a whole lot of Western countries managed to put together a respectable response.

Yeah. I don't think the impact of his abysmal handling of Covid was nearly as much worse than "average" (what it would have been with a normal president) than the impact of his handling of rule of law, democracy, foreign policy, etc.

[Savonarola]

In 2016 I wrote the following:

Personally I think Trump will be an awful president; but I'll admit I was wrong and that he was at least a mediocre president if:

1.)  He isn't impeached.
2.)  No member of his cabinet is charged with a crime.
3.)  The deficit remains under $500,000,000,000 (it's projected level for FY 2017.)
4.)  There isn't a new humanitarian crisis on the scale of Syria anywhere in the world.
5.)  The US doesn't engage in a military intervention that results in a worse crisis than our intervention in Libya did.
6.)  A tariff war does not emerge.

And, while he didn't in fact make all those criteria, today that looks comically naïve.  My mistake was thinking that Trump would try to govern rather than perpetually campaign. 

(Prior to mob attack on the Capitol this week) the thing that really drove home how bizarre Trump's America has become was discovering that Trump is still carrying on a (one-sided) Twitter feud with the late Senator John McCain, and that no major news outlet covered it.  That is now considered unremarkable behavior for the President of the United States.

[Josquius]

At a glance only one stands out as a passing.

[Jacob]

I went back to that thread for a bit. Is derspiess still around?

[Maximus]

I voted "As bad as expected" then and that's still my answer.

[crazy canuck]

I went back to that thread for a bit. Is derspiess still around?

Do remember the guy with horns?