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Quo Vadis GOP?

Started by Syt, January 09, 2021, 07:46:24 AM

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garbon

Looks like it'll be coming back provided by a right wing host.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Habbaku on January 14, 2021, 09:52:23 PM
Lincoln Project's latest is potent:

https://youtu.be/dFQHm-2cyIk

I am not sure it is having much of an effect.  Republican approval of Trump is still high. 

The Larch

Bumping this up after a couple of recent news about state Republicans going nuts at "traitors".

QuoteArizona Republicans Censure Party Leaders At Odds With Trump

Arizona Republicans passed resolutions on Saturday to censure three of the state's most prominent party leaders who have found themselves at odds with former President Donald Trump: Gov. Doug Ducey, former Sen. Jeff Flake and Cindy McCain, widow of late longtime Sen. John McCain.

The sweeping — yet essentially symbolic — rebuke took place during a meeting to figure out how to move forward after the state flipped blue in November, narrowly giving its 11 electoral votes to now-President Biden.

McCain and Flake, both of whom endorsed Biden for president, were censured for their outspoken opposition to Trump and for their support of globalist interests, according to state GOP members.

In condemning Ducey, the party cited the governor's decision to enact emergency orders during the coronavirus pandemic that the committee said are unconstitutional and "restrict personal liberties."

Much of the meeting, held indoors at Dream City Church in Phoenix, was largely a pep rally for state Republicans who support the former president and his baseless claims of election fraud.

State Republicans also reelected party chair Kelli Ward, an unwavering Trump supporter who had challenged Arizona's election results in a lawsuit that was rejected for insufficient evidence of fraud.

QuoteOregon Republican Party condemns 'betrayal' by 10 House GOP who voted to impeach Trump

The Oregon Republican Party state executive committee passed a resolution "condemning the betrayal by the ten House Republicans who voted to impeach President Trump last week."

"Our party is speaking out in condemnation of the profound betrayal by the ten House Republicans who supported impeaching President Trump last week without any investigation, hearing, shred of due process, and in contradiction to the known and emerging facts," said Bill Currier, Oregon Republican Party chairman. "This type of sham process has become the norm for Democrats, but no Republican should support or give in to such an abuse of our Constitutional system."

Of Oregon's 5 representatives in Congress, only Cliff Bentz - newly elected in November after long-time GOP Rep. Greg Walden opted not to run for re-election - did not vote to impeach.

Southwest Washington U.S. Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler was one of 10 Republican representatives to vote to impeach President Donald Trump on Wednesday.

One of her Washington Republican colleagues, Rep. Dan Newhouse, joined her in that vote.

Both have faced criticism from the Republican constituents.

All told, 9 of Washington's 10 representatives voted to impeach.

Darth Wagtaros

Less about Trump than anger at those who broke with established Party Doctrine. These are Inner Party types who are advocating counter-reactionary idealism.
PDH!

FunkMonk

The re-alignment continues:

https://www.axios.com/republican-party-working-class-future-44f6c66c-dfbd-40c9-9b9d-9ebfa29dccec.html

QuoteRepublicans, long reliant on big business and the rich, see a post-Trump future centered on working class white, Hispanic and Black voters, top GOP officials tell Axios.

Why it matters: This is a substantial shift, born of necessity and the post-Trump reality. It would push Republicans further away from the interests of corporate America and traditional conservative ideas like entitlement reform.

Top Republican officials tell Axios that if the party is going to survive, it needs to copy Donald Trump's fixation on blue-collar voters in 2016 and working-class and minority voters in 2020 — and ditch, or at least downplay, allegiance to big business.

So instead of Republican leaders talking about reforming Medicare or Social Security, you'll hear them talking about protecting entitlements.

Instead of corporate tax cuts, job "stability" will be a campaign theme for House Republicans as they try to win the majority in next year's midterms.

What's happening: Numerous corporations are cutting off money to a big chunk of Republicans who refused to certify the Joe Biden victory.

At the same time, Trump showed Republicans how to invigorate not just working-class whites, but also some Hispanic and Black voters, especially men.

The big picture: Recent polling shows Republican voters no longer coalesce around tax cuts and entitlement reforms.

Instead, there's a substantial divide — and many signs their future might rest in protecting traditional workers and traditional values.

In a YouGov poll of 1,000 Trump 2020 voters for AEI, 42% described themselves as working class — about the same share as evangelical Christians.

Two champions of the new GOP are House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy of California and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, who was chair of the Senate Small Business Committee before Democrats took power last month.

McCarthy told Punchbowl News this week that "the American worker" will be one of his three focuses between now and the midterms, along with immigration and "fighting back against socialism."

Rubio said in a speech in December that Republicans can capitalize on the current political realignment by being a "pro-worker party."

So you'll see more scenes like this week, when McCarthy is in Texas and will tour an oil rig — in addition to raising money.
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The Larch

QuoteRepublicans, long reliant on big business and the rich, see a post-Trump future centered on working class white, Hispanic and Black voters, top GOP officials tell Axios.

Won't that interfere with their rabidly racist constituency, though?  :hmm:

Valmy

So they are going to appeal to the workers through the culture war and buzzwords about socialism.

Though really I guess that is basically the same thing. It is going to be the "anti-SJW" party I guess and just try to ignore all the rest of it.
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Sheilbh

Yes - towards a cultural analysis of class :w00t:

The GOP simultaneously moaning about cultural Marxists and reading their Gramsci is outstanding. Up there with decrying post-modernism while dismantling grand narratives and any sense of a shared "objective" reality/truth. Terrifying :ph34r:
Let's bomb Russia!

The Brain

Makes sense that they're making GOP = NSDAP official.
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FunkMonk

Soon they will be wearing black shirts and advocating a corporatist reorganization of the economy.
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DGuller

If you're going to harness the power of racism, you may as well do that to further the cause of economic equality rather than undermine it.

Admiral Yi

So what is the self proclaimed champion of the little guy (the Democratic Party) supposed to do when it turns out that a big chunk of them are dirtbags?  Sort of similar to the problem faced by Labour after the Brexit vote.

DGuller

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 10, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
So what is the self proclaimed champion of the little guy (the Democratic Party) supposed to do when it turns out that a big chunk of them are dirtbags?  Sort of similar to the problem faced by Labour after the Brexit vote.
Hope that better economic security would clean them up a little? :unsure: However, at the end of the day, economic security is not a reward for being a good person, it should be an expectation in all rich countries.

HisMajestyBOB

I'll believe that change is sincere when I see it.

In any event, I'm less interested in how the GOP's economic policies will change than I am in whether the GOP will support the rule of law and peaceful transition of power.
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Valmy

Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on February 10, 2021, 12:55:39 PM
I'll believe that change is sincere when I see it.

I mean they are already there. Trump has shown them the way: full culture war all the time.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."