What Do You Say To Anti Vaxxers?

[The Brain]

I haven't encountered any beyond seeing strangers on the internet being nutjobs. What I'd say depends a lot on the circumstances. In a work environment for instance I try to avoid political discussions.

[Admiral Yi]

I was ready to stomp on mono b/c of herd immunity, but then I stopped.  Herd immunity is a benefit to those not vaccinated, right?

[Iormlund]

I was ready to stomp on mono b/c of herd immunity, but then I stopped.  Herd immunity is a benefit to those not vaccinated, right?

You should stomp on mono. Not everyone who relies on herd immunity has a choice. For example, inmuno-compromised people can't be inoculated with attenuated (live) viruses. And of course there are many people for whom a vaccine won't actually work (and there's usually no way to tell if it does anyway).

[Eddie Teach]

Mono is doing his part by getting the vaccine. Not his job to coerce others to do the same.

[DGuller]

I was ready to stomp on mono b/c of herd immunity, but then I stopped.  Herd immunity is a benefit to those not vaccinated, right?

Not exclusively.  The vaccine is not perfectly effective, so just like with masks, the total protection is a compound effect of improving your armor as well as degrading others' weapons.

[alfred russel]

When my sister starts on her anti-vaxx stuff I just comment how selfish her position is, relying on others to get vaccinated to protect her and her family.  She gets off the topic immediately.

She probably isn't being selfish, just stupid.

She is absolutely being selfish.

If she thinks that vaccines are effective and wants everyone else to get vaccinated so she gets the benefit of an immune society, then yes she is being selfish.

If she thinks that vaccines are rubbish or even actively harmful, then she is just stupid. In that case, telling people not to get vaccinated isn't selfish, it is just profound ignorance. From her perspective, speaking her "truth" about vaccines is altruistic, and she is probably something of a hero and martyr considering that people with education like grumbler look down on her for spreading the message.

[grumbler]

Mono is doing his part by getting the vaccine. Not his job to coerce others to do the same.

I think that HK has public health officials who do that job.  Nothing Mono has said leads us to believe that he works in public health.

Mono is doing his part by getting the vaccine, and public health officials are doing their part by keeping track of who isn't, and then finding them, roping them, and tying them off before jabbing them. 

I'd argue for branding them, as well.  Not for failing to get the vaccine, but for being the kinds of assholes that fail to get the vaccine.

[Zanza]

To answer the thread question: a heartfelt "Fuck you".

[DGuller]

I think the non-insane part of society will have to figure out how to productively deal with brainwashed zombies, and I don't think we have yet.  We can't just politely ignore the fact that some people have completely departed reality in order to avoid conflict, but saying "fuck you" is probably not going to be productive either.

[Zanza]

Of course, but I am not the right person to convince or coerce them, so I guess expressing my disdain of their choices is all I can do.

Private and public actors here are allowed to ask for vaccinations as a precondition for contracts, so I expect that at least airlines etc. will require this eventually...

[Razgovory]

Do we have any anti-vaxxers here?

[mongers]

Do we have any anti-vaxxers here?

I don't like Vax hoovers, they suck, does that count?