What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

[Habbaku]

#4, 6, 8, 9, and 10 do not belong on that list. 

[The Larch]

Just saw Mike Duncan posting it on Twitter. 

[Razgovory]

No love for Polk, the Napoleon of the stump.

[The Minsky Moment]

Those kinds of rankings are basically meaningless.  Top 10 for what? If it's height, then Lincoln is in the right place but Truman is way too high.

[Sheilbh]

These always tell us more about our time than the actual Presidents, but it feels very unlikely that any 19th century presidents (except Lincoln) will make the top 10 for the foreseeable and I think that probably cuts the field in half. So this is more the top 10 of 25 Presidents in the 20th century plus Lincoln the first 5 or so

[The Minsky Moment]

No love for Polk, the Napoleon of the stump.

He's #1 in purchases of slaves while President.

[The Brain]

What did Eisenhower do that was noteworthy?

[The Minsky Moment]

These always tell us more about our time than the actual Presidents, but it feels very unlikely that any 19th century presidents (except Lincoln) will make the top 10

That not just presentist bias - it's due to the fact that with the exception of Lincoln there weren't that many good 19th century presidents after Monroe.

[The Minsky Moment]

What did Eisenhower do that was noteworthy?

Interstate highway system.
Avoiding nuclear war.

[The Brain]

What did Eisenhower do that was noteworthy?

Interstate highway system.
Avoiding nuclear war.

So Hitler was great?

[Sheilbh]

These always tell us more about our time than the actual Presidents, but it feels very unlikely that any 19th century presidents (except Lincoln) will make the top 10

That not just presentist bias - it's due to the fact that with the exception of Lincoln there weren't that many good 19th century presidents after Monroe.

Sure. But I think the change in racial politics and how we view slavery and Manifest Destiny especially sink the few other successful 19th century presidents.

I think this is a shift even in the last 20 years. I don't think we would have articles now about a "Jacksonian moment" without quite a lot of caveats and contextualising.

[The Minsky Moment]

What did Eisenhower do that was noteworthy?

Interstate highway system.
Avoiding nuclear war.

So Hitler was great?

Hitler never built an interstate highway system in the US. 
And Ike stayed clear of invading Poland and murdering millions of innocents.

[The Brain]

What did Eisenhower do that was noteworthy?

Interstate highway system.
Avoiding nuclear war.

So Hitler was great?

Hitler never built an interstate highway system in the US. 
And Ike stayed clear of invading Poland and murdering millions of innocents.

Tomato, potato.

[The Larch]

These always tell us more about our time than the actual Presidents, but it feels very unlikely that any 19th century presidents (except Lincoln) will make the top 10 for the foreseeable and I think that probably cuts the field in half. So this is more the top 10 of 25 Presidents in the 20th century plus Lincoln the first 5 or so

Duncan mentioned something similar on Twitter, he said that Jackson used to be a fixed presence at #5 in the past, but in recent days historians have dropped him off a cliff because of a change on how he's viewed and that has created a bit of a vacuum in the lower part of the Top 10.

[The Larch]

In case anyone wants to check the nitty gritty details of the rankings:

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/