What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

Good God, are we actually going ahead of with the student loan forgiveness?  This is banana republic territory.

Pretty sure I read somewhere that it's very limited, not the whole shebang.

Hypothetically though, how much would it suck if they forgave 100% and you started school the next year. 

[HisMajestyBOB]

The death threats must have taken their toll.

I'm sure, but on the other hand, he's been in his position longer than I've been alive. He's earned his retirement.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNBnKRW0TY

Governors of Texas and Arizona busing thousands of illegal immigrants to NYC and DC.

[The Larch]

The death threats must have taken their toll.

Being 81 must have been part of the equation as well.   

[OttoVonBismarck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNBnKRW0TY

Governors of Texas and Arizona busing thousands of illegal immigrants to NYC and DC.

FWIW none of them are illegal immigrants, we should probably quit using the far right talking points.

[Admiral Yi]

FWIW none of them are illegal immigrants, we should probably quit using the far right talking points.

Please elaborate.

[OttoVonBismarck]

FWIW none of them are illegal immigrants, we should probably quit using the far right talking points.

Please elaborate.

None of them are illegal immigrants. An illegal immigrant is someone who tries to immigrate illegally. These people did not do that. They typically crossed the border illegally (which is a minor civil offense, not any kind of serious crime), and then immediately filed for asylum. Under U.S. law that is not illegal immigration, they literally have a statutory right to file for permanent residence as refugees, and they are availing themselves of the system. The reason many cross illegally is because we deliberately make it so the lines at the official crossing points are so long that you are better off walking across illegally and immediately surrendering to Border Patrol, otherwise you might have to wait in Mexico for weeks or months.

There are illegal migrants--they are not the ones who are released into Texas, illegal migrants if they are caught around the border are sent back out within hours, if they are caught further in country they are usually deported within a few days.

The far right has spent the last 40 years confusing you on this topic so it's not surprising you and most Americans understand legal asylum seekers and illegal migrants to be one and the same. They are not, and our immigration courts don't treat them the same.

[Josquius]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNBnKRW0TY

Governors of Texas and Arizona busing thousands of illegal immigrants to NYC and DC.

This is legal?

If so can't NYC and DC send lorry loads of manure Texas' way?

[OttoVonBismarck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNBnKRW0TY

Governors of Texas and Arizona busing thousands of illegal immigrants to NYC and DC.

This is legal?

If so can't NYC and DC send lorry loads of manure Texas' way?

It's voluntary. These are people who have crossed, surrendered to border patrol, and were basically given a ticket to appear in immigration court when their asylum case can be heard. This has been SOP for decades because we lack facilities to store everyone seeking asylum. Texas is basically saying "hey want a free ride to New York or DC?" A large number of these asylum seekers aren't actually looking to stay in Texas and have family elsewhere, so they are taking the free bus ride out of convenience. Although there's been reports some of them (due to language barriers) don't know what's going on and have ended up in NYC/DC confused and lost.

[The Minsky Moment]

The bus passengers include significant numbers of people fleeing Communist tyranny in Cuba and Venezuela.  As usual the GOP "freedom" rhetoric is baloney.  It's all fine and dandy to be anti-Communist until darker colored people start showing up at the border.

[Josquius]

The bus passengers include significant numbers of people fleeing Communist tyranny in Cuba and Venezuela.  As usual the GOP "freedom" rhetoric is baloney.  It's all fine and dandy to be anti-Communist until darker colored people start showing up at the border.

And Cubans still support them...

[Admiral Yi]

None of them are illegal immigrants. An illegal immigrant is someone who tries to immigrate illegally. These people did not do that. They typically crossed the border illegally (which is a minor civil offense, not any kind of serious crime), and then immediately filed for asylum. Under U.S. law that is not illegal immigration, they literally have a statutory right to file for permanent residence as refugees, and they are availing themselves of the system. The reason many cross illegally is because we deliberately make it so the lines at the official crossing points are so long that you are better off walking across illegally and immediately surrendering to Border Patrol, otherwise you might have to wait in Mexico for weeks or months.

There are illegal migrants--they are not the ones who are released into Texas, illegal migrants if they are caught around the border are sent back out within hours, if they are caught further in country they are usually deported within a few days.

The far right has spent the last 40 years confusing you on this topic so it's not surprising you and most Americans understand legal asylum seekers and illegal migrants to be one and the same. They are not, and our immigration courts don't treat them the same.

I was unaware they were asylum seekers.

The snipe about the far right confusing me was gratuitous.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Well let me ask you this, why do you think we would let a bunch of "illegal immigrants" hop on a bus and ride around the country? Like I said--there is a lot of manufactured confusion about this that doesn't stand up to any serious examination of our immigration law and systems.

[Admiral Yi]

Well let me ask you this, why do you think we would let a bunch of "illegal immigrants" hop on a bus and ride around the country? Like I said--there is a lot of manufactured confusion about this that doesn't stand up to any serious examination of our immigration law and systems.

You're asking a question that doesn't make any sense.  We don't check citizenship at intercity bus terminals.  There are currently millions of illegal immigrants living north of the border states, and they all traveled there some how.

A more reasonable question would have been how did the governors of Texas and Arizona manage to round up thousands of illegal immigrants.

[Admiral Yi]

This is legal?

I can't think of a law that is being broken.