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Started by Caliga, November 07, 2020, 12:07:22 PM

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crazy canuck

Quote from: alfred russel on August 05, 2022, 01:48:49 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 05, 2022, 01:23:45 PMThis is a first: Politifact goes out of its way to debunk AR.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/04/kat-cammack/gop-talking-point-suggests-birth-control-not-risk-/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3w5vmtuAQ2inC_AdU9Cp9IVVY6mQQtm6J8wfDEJVRojIaDzMepqQTTs1s#Echobox=1659705694-1

It is like a whack a mole of distorting what I have said. A quote from earlier:

"I'd wager extensive amounts of money. What base would there be for Alabama to keep a contraceptive ban? Even its normal conservative christian churches don't favor it.

Yes I agree that some forms of birth control could be banned on the basis they constitute abortion, but that isn't the same as a blanket ban on contraception."

The congresswoman's statement that they debunked:

"In no way, shape, or form is access to contraception limited or at risk of being limited."

Politifact then rated it false with arguments that a subset of contraceptives could be considered considered connected to abortion by some and banned on those grounds. Which is something I acknowledged and agreed with pages ago.



Well, there is only one mole here, and he keeps arguing with himself about blanket bans.
I want you to panic

https://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2019/jan/25/i-want-you-to-panic-16-year-old-greta-thunberg-issues-climate-warning-at-davos-video

"Woke" is now almost exclusively used by those who seek to deride it, those who chafe at the activism from which it sprang. Opponents to the idea are seeking to render it toxic. They use it to stand in for change itself, for evolution, for an accurate assessment of history and society that makes them uncomfortable and deflates their hagiographic view of American history.

alfred russel

Quote from: crazy canuck on August 05, 2022, 03:28:03 PMWell, there is only one mole here, and he keeps arguing with himself about blanket bans.

It takes two to tango...i was done with the discussion until raz enters to say "hey look polifact is debunking AR" and in fact it was not what i was talking about and i endorsed the basis of the fact check days ago.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

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Jacob

Quote from: alfred russel on August 05, 2022, 03:36:41 PMIt takes two to tango...i was done with the discussion until raz enters to say "hey look polifact is debunking AR" and in fact it was not what i was talking about and i endorsed the basis of the fact check days ago.

Fair enough, IMO.

crazy canuck

Quote from: alfred russel on August 05, 2022, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 05, 2022, 03:28:03 PMWell, there is only one mole here, and he keeps arguing with himself about blanket bans.

It takes two to tango...i was done with the discussion until raz enters to say "hey look polifact is debunking AR" and in fact it was not what i was talking about and i endorsed the basis of the fact check days ago.

If you read the article, it is also not talking about blanket bans but the fact that many states dominated by the GOP are engaging in exactly what Otto was warning us about.
I want you to panic

https://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2019/jan/25/i-want-you-to-panic-16-year-old-greta-thunberg-issues-climate-warning-at-davos-video

"Woke" is now almost exclusively used by those who seek to deride it, those who chafe at the activism from which it sprang. Opponents to the idea are seeking to render it toxic. They use it to stand in for change itself, for evolution, for an accurate assessment of history and society that makes them uncomfortable and deflates their hagiographic view of American history.

The Larch

QuoteSenate passes $739bn healthcare and climate bill after months of wrangling

Inflation Reduction Act will reduce planet-heating emissions and lower prescription drug costs – and give Biden a crucial victory

Senate Democrats passed their climate and healthcare spending package on Sunday, sending the legislation to the House and bringing Joe Biden one step closer to a significant legislative victory ahead of crucial midterm elections in November.

If signed into law, the bill, formally known as the Inflation Reduction Act, would allocate $369bn to reducing greenhouse gas emissions and investing in renewable energy sources. Experts have estimated the climate provisions of the bill will reduce America's planet-heating emissions by about 40% by 2030, compared with 2005 levels.

Democrats have promised the bill will lower healthcare costs for millions of Americans by allowing Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices and capping Medicare recipients' out-of-pocket prescription drug prices at $2,000 a year. Those who receive health insurance coverage through the Affordable Care Act marketplace are also expected to see lower premium costs.

The legislation includes a number of tax provisions to cover the costs of these policies, bringing in $739bn for the government and resulting in an overall deficit reduction of roughly $300bn. The policy changes include a new corporate minimum tax, a 1% excise tax on stock buybacks and stricter enforcement by the Internal Revenue Service.

The final Senate vote was 51-50, with every Democrat supporting the bill while all 50 of their Republican colleagues opposed the legislation. With the Senate evenly divided on the bill's passage, Vice-President Kamala Harris cast the tie-breaking vote.

Because Democrats used the reconciliation process to advance the bill, they needed only a simple majority to pass the proposal, allowing them to avoid a Republican filibuster.

But the choice to use reconciliation also somewhat limited what Democrats could include in their bill. The Senate parliamentarian ruled on Saturday that a key healthcare provision, which would have placed inflation-related caps on companies' ability to raise prescription drug prices for private insurance plans, ran afoul of reconciliation rules. Another proposal to cap the cost of insulin in the private insurance market at $35 a month was also stripped out of the bill after 43 Senate Republicans voted to block the policy on procedural grounds.

Still, Democrats celebrated that the Senate parliamentarian allowed most of their healthcare and climate provisions to move forward.

"While there was one unfortunate ruling in that the inflation rebate is more limited in scope, the overall program remains intact and we are one step closer to finally taking on big pharma and lowering Rx drug prices for millions of Americans," the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, said on Saturday.

Democratic leaders previously had to alter the tax provisions of the bill to secure the vote of Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, who announced her support for the proposal on Thursday.

Sinema caused some last-minute hand-wringing among Democrats on Sunday, as she pushed for changes to the new corporate minimum tax that would exempt some businesses from the policy. Democratic senators ultimately reached an agreement with Sinema to approve the exemption, which was paid for by extending loss limitations for pass-through businesses.

Sinema was considered the last Democratic holdout in the negotiations, after fellow centrist Joe Manchin said he would vote in favor of the bill. The Senate's approval of the bill came nearly eight months after Manchin abruptly scuttled talks over the Build Back Better Act, which was viewed as Biden's signature legislative proposal. After tanking that bill, Manchin spent months participating in quiet deliberations with Schumer over another spending package that was more focused on reducing the federal deficit and tackling record-high inflation.

The resulting bill was able to win the support of the entire Senate Democratic caucus on Sunday, even though the legislation is much smaller in scope than the Build Back Better Act.

The bill's narrower focus frustrated the progressive senator Bernie Sanders, who criticized the compromise in a Saturday floor speech. Sanders complained that the legislation would do little to help working Americans struggling to keep up with rising prices, and he unsuccessfully pushed for expanding the bill to further lower healthcare costs.

"This legislation does not address the reality that we have more income and wealth inequality today than at any time in the last hundred years," Sanders said. "This bill does nothing to address the systemic dysfunctionality of the American healthcare system."

Despite that criticism, Sanders backed the final version of the bill. The Senate's approval followed a marathon session that lasted overnight and into Sunday afternoon, as Republicans forced votes on dozens of proposed changes to the spending package. Democrats remained mostly unified in opposing Republicans' amendments, keeping the bill unchanged and ensuring the legislation's passage.

Republicans fiercely criticized the bill, rejecting Democrats' arguments that the legislation will help tackle rising prices. According to a report issued by Moody's Analytics, the bill will "modestly reduce inflation over the 10-year budget horizon".

"Democrats want to ram through hundreds of billions of dollars in tax hikes and hundreds of billions of dollars in reckless spending – and for what?" the Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, said in a Saturday floor speech. "For a so-called inflation bill that will not meaningfully reduce inflation at all."

House Democrats have dismissed Republicans' criticism of the bill, insisting they will swiftly pass the legislation and send it to Biden's desk. The majority leader, Steny Hoyer, has said the House will return on Friday to take up the legislation, and Democrats do not need any Republican votes to pass the bill.

The House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, has promised that the chamber would move quickly as soon as the Senate gave the bill its stamp of approval. She told reporters at a press conference last week, "When they send it to us, we'll pass it."

Admiral Yi

Not a fan of the tax on stock buybacks.

Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2022, 03:08:16 PMNot a fan of the tax on stock buybacks.

I have no particular understanding of the likely impact of this tax - what do you think is the likely impact of this tax, and why is it not good?

Razgovory

Quote from: Jacob on August 08, 2022, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2022, 03:08:16 PMNot a fan of the tax on stock buybacks.

I have no particular understanding of the likely impact of this tax - what do you think is the likely impact of this tax, and why is it not good?
And answer carefully!  Raz has no opinion on this one way or another.  Your answer could influence him.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

crazy canuck

Quote from: Jacob on August 08, 2022, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2022, 03:08:16 PMNot a fan of the tax on stock buybacks.

I have no particular understanding of the likely impact of this tax - what do you think is the likely impact of this tax, and why is it not good?

Companies might have to start using their money to do things other than artificially inflating share values.  Things like investing in R&D, which might increase share value the old fashioned way - by creating actual value.
I want you to panic

https://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2019/jan/25/i-want-you-to-panic-16-year-old-greta-thunberg-issues-climate-warning-at-davos-video

"Woke" is now almost exclusively used by those who seek to deride it, those who chafe at the activism from which it sprang. Opponents to the idea are seeking to render it toxic. They use it to stand in for change itself, for evolution, for an accurate assessment of history and society that makes them uncomfortable and deflates their hagiographic view of American history.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Jacob on August 08, 2022, 04:02:47 PMI have no particular understanding of the likely impact of this tax - what do you think is the likely impact of this tax, and why is it not good?

It will disincentivize stock buybacks and raise revenue.

Stock buybacks are a way for firms to transfer cash they are sitting on to shareholders, who of course already own it.

Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2022, 07:24:20 PMIt will disincentivize stock buybacks and raise revenue.

Stock buybacks are a way for firms to transfer cash they are sitting on to shareholders, who of course already own it.

Is there something about stock buy-backs that make them superior to paying special dividends?




HVC

Exec stock renumeration pay better with buy backs in comparison to dividends
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Jacob on August 08, 2022, 08:29:17 PMIs there something about stock buy-backs that make them superior to paying special dividends?





The shareholder is not compelled to declare dividend income.  He or she can choose to hold the appreciated shares and pay capital gains later.

alfred russel

Quote from: Jacob on August 08, 2022, 08:29:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2022, 07:24:20 PMIt will disincentivize stock buybacks and raise revenue.

Stock buybacks are a way for firms to transfer cash they are sitting on to shareholders, who of course already own it.

Is there something about stock buy-backs that make them superior to paying special dividends?





In addition to what Yi said, dividends (even if special) build expectation of future dividends which may not be sustainable.

Also, large special dividends create unwelcome volatility in the stock price and can create windfalls for very temporary holders. For example if company has an extra few billion to either pay out as a special dividend or a stock buyback, the stock buyback will almost certainly be over time and not have a huge daily impact on the stock price. But if there is a special dividend, if I'm randomly trading in and out of the stock, I may (or may not) end up holding it on the dividend date and get the full thing as a cash payment.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

Jacob

Quote from: HVC on August 08, 2022, 08:45:59 PMExec stock renumeration pay better with buy backs in comparison to dividends

Any other effects?

Because if it's purely "stock buy-backs are sheltered more against taxation than dividends" then a tax on buy-backs seems pretty reasonable - assuming the buy-back tax lines up with the dividend tax.

Alternately, of course, you could also lower the dividend tax to match the (lack of?) tax on stock buy-backs if you think distributing value to shareholders should be encouraged further.

Or are there other reasons to favour buy-backs over dividends (or vice versa)?