What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

Started by Caliga, November 07, 2020, 12:07:22 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: Eddie Teach on May 26, 2022, 08:55:12 PMThe trick is to make them look deranged rather than yourself look smug and arrogant.

They don't need any help looking deranged.



Avoiding smug and arrogant is good, but looking smug and arrogant hasn't hurt the Republicans.
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Josquius

Is there an Overton window on crazy vs arrogant?
As I think that might have shifted too. Merely knowing a fact is now arrogant.
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garbon

Quote from: Josquius on May 27, 2022, 01:44:00 AMIs there an Overton window on crazy vs arrogant?
As I think that might have shifted too. Merely knowing a fact is now arrogant.

It is okay to know a fact but why should you rub it in people's faces?
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Quote from: garbon on May 27, 2022, 01:47:26 AMIt is okay to know a fact but why should you rub it in people's faces?

Because sometimes that can be entertaining for both parties.

Josquius

Quote from: garbon on May 27, 2022, 01:47:26 AM
Quote from: Josquius on May 27, 2022, 01:44:00 AMIs there an Overton window on crazy vs arrogant?
As I think that might have shifted too. Merely knowing a fact is now arrogant.

It is okay to know a fact but why should you rub it in people's faces?

If I say a cow is a vache in French is that rubbing it in your face?
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garbon

Quote from: Josquius on May 27, 2022, 03:17:52 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 27, 2022, 01:47:26 AM
Quote from: Josquius on May 27, 2022, 01:44:00 AMIs there an Overton window on crazy vs arrogant?
As I think that might have shifted too. Merely knowing a fact is now arrogant.

It is okay to know a fact but why should you rub it in people's faces?

If I say a cow is a vache in French is that rubbing it in your face?

Please keep that behind closed doors.  :blurgh:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Solmyr

Plenty of people voted for a deranged-looking Trump.

grumbler

Quote from: Solmyr on May 27, 2022, 04:12:54 AMPlenty of people voted for a deranged-looking Trump.

Sure, but that goes back to the shitty Democratic messaging issue.

Trump was always going to get the deranged vote.  What the Dems needed to focus their messages on isn't the derangement of the right, but how pathetic it is.
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Quote from: garbon on May 27, 2022, 01:47:26 AMIt is okay to know a fact but why should you rub it in people's faces?

I believe John Cleese addressed this some time ago

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viper37

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Quote from: Josquius on May 26, 2022, 05:33:31 PMYeah, I've noticed a thing about alt right populist types to outright fish for people calling them stupid so they can go off on one about arrogant metropolitan Liberal elites.
metropolitan Liberals don't really need outright fishing to call people outside their immediate circle "stupid".  That's been pretty much or less the same since at least the 80s.

Edit:
thinking of it, since at least Versailles was built...
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viper37

Quote from: grumbler on May 27, 2022, 08:00:11 AMWhat the Dems needed to focus their messages on isn't the derangement of the right, but how pathetic it is.
calling them a coallition of the pathetic?
Maybe...
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Josquius

Quote from: viper37 on May 27, 2022, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: Josquius on May 26, 2022, 05:33:31 PMYeah, I've noticed a thing about alt right populist types to outright fish for people calling them stupid so they can go off on one about arrogant metropolitan Liberal elites.
metropolitan Liberals don't really need outright fishing to call people outside their immediate circle "stupid".  That's been pretty much or less the same since at least the 80s.

Edit:
thinking of it, since at least Versailles was built...
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They don't even exist in the right wing sense. It's just a way of grouping together various groups they don't like, whether they're urban dwelling and Liberal or not, using a term that requires a bit of investigation to see "yeah, you just copy and pasted old nazi and Soviet propeganda there".

That's another myth the far right use though. The whole "you just can't stand anyone with a different point of view!" when it's one particular point of view someone takes umbrage with.
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