What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

[grumbler]

Sounds like a lovely system.

The whole political mess going on in the US seems very similar to the late Roman Republic.

How late are we talking about? We haven't even had our Tiberious Gracchus yet.

Bernious Gracchus has come and gone.  We haven't had our practical Gracchi yet, and maybe won't.

But the whole political divisiveness and the conservative's willingness to oppose their "evil" opponents through violence are eerily similar, as is he breakdown in constitutional norms.  Trumpeters scoff at the mos maiorum and delight in the idea that putting partisan morons on the judicial benches really "triggers the libs."

[The Brain]

My Latin teacher claimed that our Gracchi were the Kennedys.

Well they're both dead.

[Jacob]

Is the US Supreme Court going to reconsider Roe v Wade?

This NPR article makes it sound like it could happen: https://www.npr.org/2021/07/23/1019746478/on-abortion-mississippi-swings-for-the-fences-asks-the-supreme-court-to-reverse-

How likely is it that the court will reconsider Roe v Wade?

[grumbler]

Is the US Supreme Court going to reconsider Roe v Wade?

This NPR article makes it sound like it could happen: https://www.npr.org/2021/07/23/1019746478/on-abortion-mississippi-swings-for-the-fences-asks-the-supreme-court-to-reverse-

How likely is it that the court will reconsider Roe v Wade?

It is clear that a majority of justices want to expand government control over women's sex lives, but some don;t think it is worth setting the precedent that the political party in power overturns all rulings by past courts dominated by the other party.  Fratboy would overturn in a second, I think, and not consider for that second what the long-term implications of his decision were.  Church Lady would rely on the clear concept that only decisions by Republican-dominated courts are "super precedents" that she needs to consider; mere stare decisis would not, in her mind, outweigh what Jesus is telling her to do.  I think that Roberts and maybe Alito would be the roadblocks to overturning such a long-standing and oft-cited ruling.

But I can almost guarantee that, if RvW is overturned by this court, the decision to overturn will itself be overturned by the first Democratically-dominated court.    Overturning RvW would be the end of any pretense that there is one Supreme Court, rather than a bunch of self-serving Supreme Court factions.

[DGuller]

In a way I think it would be good for the SC to discredit itself.  It doesn't deserve the legitimacy it still enjoys.

[Admiral Yi]

In a way I think it would be good for the SC to discredit itself.  It doesn't deserve the legitimacy it still enjoys.

And then the rule of law totally evaporates.

[The Brain]

Have you tried turning the US off and turning it on again?

[Admiral Yi]

We've had a good 240 year run.  That's enough for the history books.

[Tonitrus]

Have you tried turning the US off and turning it on again?

Perhaps Trump was the equivalent to turning us off.  But alas, we're rebooting with an older hard drive.

[Razgovory]

But I can almost guarantee that, if RvW is overturned by this court, the decision to overturn will itself be overturned by the first Democratically-dominated court.    Overturning RvW would be the end of any pretense that there is one Supreme Court, rather than a bunch of self-serving Supreme Court factions.

You are assuming there will be a Democratically dominated court...

[crazy canuck]

In a way I think it would be good for the SC to discredit itself.  It doesn't deserve the legitimacy it still enjoys.

And then the rule of law totally evaporates.

With the recent intense politicization of your Supreme Court and all federal judicial appointments, I am not sure there is much left.

[Oexmelin]

"In private calls with voting rights groups and civil rights leaders, White House officials and close allies of the president have expressed confidence that it is possible to 'out-organize voter suppression'"



https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/22/us/politics/biden-voting-rights.html?referringSource=articleShare

[Admiral Yi]

Sounds obvious to me.  What am I missing?

[Oexmelin]

Because it's not? "This game is rigged! I sure hope I can win it, so I can change the rule again".

Quite aside from the fact that voter suppression is an affront to the democratic principle, and should be fought on those grounds with all possible energy, current Republican measures are all designed to prevent another Georgia 2.0. Republicans are currently making sure they take control of the certification process, which would likely be able to overturn any sort of close call. The sort of margins you get in contested territories are minuscule, and you'd need a herculean effort to offset them, which the Democratic establishment seems quite incapable to do, much less sustain - precisely because it's so timid about... everything. Considering the Republican Kool-Aid right now, I am not sure that even some huge margin - like 80% - would convince them it's not a steal.

[Admiral Yi]

Ah, that's a different argument than the one I was responding to.

I was saying you can out organize reduced voting hours etc.

I agree you can't out organize Republican election officials overturning election results.