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Started by Barrister, November 03, 2020, 01:17:04 PM

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Valmy

Quote from: grumbler on November 13, 2020, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 13, 2020, 02:48:15 PM
I just want to point out nobody was claiming that therefore Hillary Clinton won unless they were talking about the popular vote. Because the person who gets the most votes winning elections hurts farmers isn't how the US Constitution arranged the election of the US President.

FTFY

Nonsense. We could easily arrange the electoral college, in multiple ways, to have the person who gets the most votes win the election (or even reflect it to a greater degree). Nowhere in the Constitution says we have to do it how we currently do it. You are making that part up.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

grumbler

Quote from: Valmy on November 13, 2020, 03:15:46 PM
Nonsense. We could easily arrange the electoral college, in multiple ways, to have the person who gets the most votes win the election (or even reflect it to a greater degree). Nowhere in the Constitution says we have to do it how we currently do it. You are making that part up.

Nonsense.  "We" couldn't arrange that, because each state would have to go along (such as in the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that I've been pushing here for some time).  Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that "the person who gets the most votes winning elections hurts farmers." You are making that part up.  What the Constitution actually says is that the electors, not the regular voters (including the farmers), elect the President and Vice-President.  When the Constitution was written, people were overwhelmingly farmers, but the system wasn't written as it was to help or hurt the farmers.  If anything, it was written to help the rich landowners in the South.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Sheilbh on November 13, 2020, 02:05:56 PM
He really goes on a journey in this tweet:
QuoteDonald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
For years the Dems have been preaching how unsafe and rigged our elections have been. Now they are saying what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!

Internal consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

Speakin of which, I haven't seen any stories about Russian bots planting fake stories this election.  Do you think our fine men and women down at the Deep State have found a way to stop that?

katmai

Trump and his ilk have been doing well enough on their own dontcha think?
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Valmy

Quote from: grumbler on November 13, 2020, 05:51:27 PM
Nonsense.  "We" couldn't arrange that, because each state would have to go along (such as in the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that I've been pushing here for some time).

Exactly. The system, as designed by the Constitution, is freely able to take popular vote into effect or not at all. It just depends on how the states design it. South Carolina prior to 1868 didn't feel that the unwashed masses should be involved.

QuoteWhen the Constitution was written, people were overwhelmingly farmers, but the system wasn't written as it was to help or hurt the farmers.

I am well aware of that. The system we have currently favors rural areas but that has nothing to do with the Constitution, it could easily not be that way.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Admiral Yi

Quote from: katmai on November 13, 2020, 06:04:03 PM
Trump and his ilk have been doing well enough on their own dontcha think?

ha ha ha.  No, no, I actually want Russian interference to stop.  I can see now that my wording didn't make that clear.

The Larch

QuoteIncoming GOP Senator Apparently Doesn't Know Basics of World War II

Though war metaphors are common in the language of sports, it appears that Tommy Tuberville, the incoming Republican senator from Alabama, didn't learn much about World War II in his time coaching Auburn football. On Thursday night in Montgomery, Tuberville told his supporters about the sterling military record of his father, an American G.I. who landed on Normandy Beach in D-Day and drove a tank across western Europe, earning five bronze stars and a Purple Heart at the Battle of the Bulge during his deployment.

Despite being of an age at which American men pick up military history as if by osmosis, Tuberville did not seem familiar with the politics of the European theater: In his speech, the new senator described how his father took part in "liberating Paris from socialism and communism." While this may be an effort to compare his father's combat experience to his own effort to halt "the doctrine of socialism" in America, the coach's political framework is off. When First Sergeant Charles Tuberville landed in France in 1944, he was part of a campaign to liberate the Allied power from the Nazis. Though the full name of the party that Hitler rode into power was the National Socialist German Workers' Party, the Nazis were fascists. And for students of history aware of the robust French left prior to the war, Tuberville's gaffe could accidentally suggest that his father was involved in a different march into Paris in the 1940s.

Tuberville — who has vowed to "donate every penny" of his Senate salary to Alabama veterans' groups and once ran a charity for veterans' causes that donated less than a third of its proceeds — has made other mistakes about pivotal 20th-century events in recent months. In October, his Democratic opponent in the race, Senator Doug Jones, hit him for not knowing what the Voting Rights Act is as a candidate in Alabama.

Eddie Teach

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Syt

Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 14, 2020, 11:03:17 AM
Auburn  :lol:

It may be funny, but I find it troubling that someone seemingly so inept can be elected to one of the highest offices in the country.
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Eddie Teach

Nothing in that article suggests he's more inept than POTUS.  :sleep:
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Josquius

Is this ignorance of history or the "zomg national SOCIALISTS. Nazis were left wing!" strain of paint drinking?
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Tamas

I am sure it's a case of him being utterly stupid and uneducated, but like Minsky say I have noticed some attempts to create the Nazis-were-communists-ergo-its-ok-to-be-American-and-white-supremacist narrative.

The Brain

It also ties in nicely to Republicans blowing an old KGB guy every chance they get.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Tyr on November 14, 2020, 11:36:31 AM
Is this ignorance of history or the "zomg national SOCIALISTS. Nazis were left wing!" strain of paint drinking?


2nd one.
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