Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died.

[grumbler]

All of the stunts that McConnell pulled with unanimous support of GOP senators, such as blocking Garland.  Unanimous means including McCain when he was alive.

I googled a bit and can't find anything about unanimous support of GOP senators.  I did find one CNN story that talked about a letter signed by all GOP members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that said they would vote against.  Do you have some documentation?

I don't think you are quite grasping DG's concept of demonizing the enemy.  There's no significant difference between being an active enemy of the American people, like McConnel, and an active friend of the American people, like McCain.  Republican = evil, simple as that.  Evidence and documentation are irrelevant when making an emotional argument.

[DGuller]

When GOP is trying to end democracy as we know it, I think it is indeed reasonable to write off anyone who is still a part of GOP.  It didn't start with Trump, he just accelerated the process.  If you helped pack the courts with fascist judges that would then dismantle democracy one pillar at a time, you're with the enemy.  No, I'm not interested in documenting it, that sounds tedious and pointless.

We've already established that we have a different opinion on whether a GOP self-coup is in progress or at least being considered.  I don't think your optimism is borne out by facts yet, and frankly I think you're thinking that way partly because you just can't imagine it happening in the US.  I hope your optimism will be validated soon, or that we'll get lucky and the opening for self-coup just won't materialize.

[grumbler]

When GOP is trying to end democracy as we know it, I think it is indeed reasonable to write off anyone who is still a part of GOP.  It didn't start with Trump, he just accelerated the process.  If you helped pack the courts with fascist judges that would then dismantle democracy one pillar at a time, you're with the enemy.  No, I'm not interested in documenting it, that sounds tedious and pointless.

We've already established that we have a different opinion on whether a GOP self-coup is in progress or at least being considered.  I don't think your optimism is borne out by facts yet, and frankly I think you're thinking that way partly because you just can't imagine it happening in the US.  I hope your optimism will be validated soon, or that we'll get lucky and the opening for self-coup just won't materialize.

I understand demonizing perfectly well.  Between you and trump, we have the stereo version of it.  The fact that you can't shw examples of McCain acting as you claim he acts doesn't surprise anyone, because facts don't matter in the world of the demonizer.

[DGuller]

 

[Valmy]

I mean McCain is dead so hardly needs to be of some concern as a Trumpist wolf in moderate sheep clothing.

[DGuller]

All of the stunts that McConnell pulled with unanimous support of GOP senators, such as blocking Garland.  Unanimous means including McCain when he was alive.

I googled a bit and can't find anything about unanimous support of GOP senators.  I did find one CNN story that talked about a letter signed by all GOP members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that said they would vote against.  Do you have some documentation?

In any case, just to address your point without going into the weeds of searching through the Senate records that frankly no one gives a shit about, here is one easily-confirmed documentation:  in a period between Scott Brown's election and 2010 Senate elections, Republicans had exactly 41 Senators.  Therefore, any wholesale sabotaging that McConnell was perpetrating by filibuster had to have every one of the 41 Senators on board, because no Democrat or Independent was in on the wholesale filibuster.  If you think that GOP descent to anti-democracy started in 2016, and thus everything happening before it is just fair political play, this may not be convincing, but in that case we're too far apart in any case.

[DGuller]

I mean McCain is dead so hardly needs to be of some concern as a Trumpist wolf in moderate sheep clothing.

My point was that we shouldn't forget that Trump was enabled by non-Trumpist Republicans chipping away at democratic institutions long before he came on the scene.  Just because some of those Republicans later recoiled once or twice at their creation doesn't clear them of their complicity.  If you took part in the scheme to infilitrate the courts with Federalist Society mafia which would then rubber stamp all further anti-democratic measures, you're still very guilty.  You may not be Hitler, but you're at least Hindenburg.

[The Minsky Moment]

Newt Gingrich *is* kind of Ludendorffy

[Eddie Teach]

You documented that there were 41 Senators, but not that they did anything in particular.

[Zoupa]

You documented that there were 41 Senators, but not that they did anything in particular.

Read up on filibusters then.

[Admiral Yi]

In any case, just to address your point without going into the weeds of searching through the Senate records that frankly no one gives a shit about, here is one easily-confirmed documentation:  in a period between Scott Brown's election and 2010 Senate elections, Republicans had exactly 41 Senators.  Therefore, any wholesale sabotaging that McConnell was perpetrating by filibuster had to have every one of the 41 Senators on board, because no Democrat or Independent was in on the wholesale filibuster.  If you think that GOP descent to anti-democracy started in 2016, and thus everything happening before it is just fair political play, this may not be convincing, but in that case we're too far apart in any case.

Sure, for approximately 1 year any GOP filibuster had to have McCain's vote.  That's not exactly the same thing as saying McCain supported not confirming Garritt.

[Eddie Teach]

You documented that there were 41 Senators, but not that they did anything in particular.

Read up on filibusters then.

Nah. Tell me what they filibustered and I'll believe you.

[The Minsky Moment]

The Republicans threatened to filibuster ACA and attempted to do so; they failed because Arlen Specter switched parties and gave the Democrats 60 votes.  All Republicans voted against cloture bar one who did not vote (Jim Bunning who got a no decision as his team lost in extra innings).  After the Brown election the House couldn't make changes in conference because of the filibuster.

[Valmy]

Newt Gingrich *is* kind of Ludendorffy

His recent spree of anti-Soros paranoia is kind of reminiscent of post-WWI Lundendorff.

[The Minsky Moment]

Hus whole career and style sort of fits.