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Started by Oexmelin, September 18, 2020, 06:36:10 PM

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Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on September 23, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
What the fuck is he talking about? Since the Conservatives screwed LBJ out of the Chief Justice Appointment in 1968 the Democrats have appointed four total justices since 1968, 52 fucking years. In what way are we used to having our partisans stack the court?

I swear they will just come up with whatever bullshit they can pull out of their ass to justify their actions.

I had to read up on Abe Fortas to remind myself of the details, but how did Conservatives "screw" LBJ out of the appointment?  They fillibustered appointing him.  Fortas was apparently a confidant of LBJ, so it sounds like there was some reason for this.  After that was done LBJ decided (it was October in an election year) not to push for a new candidate, leaving it to the next President.
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OttoVonBismarck

Right, Fortas was one of the rare instances before the modern state of affairs where a President nominated someone who was probably too involved in politics and too controversial, especially to expect to get through any sort of Senate other than one your party had a filibuster-proof majority in. LBJ had a failed nomination, but he could have had a successful one had he chosen someone else, which is different from Obama in '16. I think Obama could've nominated Gorsuch and the Republicans would have still not had hearings on him.

Barrister

Fortas was also already on the Court.  He was just promoting him to  Chief Justice, which I guess the "conservatives" thought was a move too far.
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The attempt to elevate Fortas to Chief Justice was one of Johnson's most profound errors in judgement.  There had already been serious ethical questions raised about Fortas and some speeches he gave, so Johnson had to know it was a weak nomination.  Combined with the subsequent need, even if Fortas's elevation was successful, to name a new Associate Justice, and given that the process was starting in June of an election year, Johnson should have known better.  Johnson couldn't afford delay if he was going to make a new appointment to the court.
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Reading about impeachment of SC justices, I've read that there's an ongoing investigation on Kavanaugh.  Maybe they can find grounds to impeach him.
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Valmy

Well ok Johnson screwed up or whatever, the point is that Nixon made that pick and the Democrats have only chosen Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan since the 1960s but it seems Romney feels it was stacked in our favor somehow?
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Quote from: viper37 on September 23, 2020, 03:32:42 PM
Reading about impeachment of SC justices, I've read that there's an ongoing investigation on Kavanaugh.  Maybe they can find grounds to impeach him.
I'm sure there would be no problem getting 15-20 Republicans on board.

Valmy

Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 23, 2020, 03:56:41 PM
He said liberal, not Democrat.

Ok well that makes his rationalization of all the dirty tricks even worse. We are going to rip up precedent in a partisan fashion for something that wasn't even partisan to begin with.
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Quote from: Valmy on September 23, 2020, 03:33:36 PM
Well ok Johnson screwed up or whatever, the point is that Nixon made that pick and the Democrats have only chosen Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan since the 1960s but it seems Romney feels it was stacked in our favor somehow?

:huh:  It's Mitt Romney.  Since when have you expected him to be anything but a republican schill?  He was their candidate for president a short 8 years ago.  That he doesn't like Trump doesn't make him a genius or any less of a partisan.  He wants to lock that USSC seat down and fuck precedent.
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DGuller

Romney is a reminder to everyone to not normalize Republicans that have once in a while done the bare minimum expected of any decent citizen.  That goes for McCain as well; he may have given thumbs down to gutting Obamacare, but he sure as hell gave thumbs up to plenty of other skulduggery by his party.

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Quote from: DGuller on September 23, 2020, 07:00:26 PM
Romney is a reminder to everyone to not normalize Republicans that have once in a while done the bare minimum expected of any decent citizen.  That goes for McCain as well; he may have given thumbs down to gutting Obamacare, but he sure as hell gave thumbs up to plenty of other skulduggery by his party.

Such as?

DGuller

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 23, 2020, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 23, 2020, 07:00:26 PM
Romney is a reminder to everyone to not normalize Republicans that have once in a while done the bare minimum expected of any decent citizen.  That goes for McCain as well; he may have given thumbs down to gutting Obamacare, but he sure as hell gave thumbs up to plenty of other skulduggery by his party.

Such as?
All of the stunts that McConnell pulled with unanimous support of GOP senators, such as blocking Garland.  Unanimous means including McCain when he was alive.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: DGuller on September 23, 2020, 09:21:26 PM
All of the stunts that McConnell pulled with unanimous support of GOP senators, such as blocking Garland.  Unanimous means including McCain when he was alive.

I googled a bit and can't find anything about unanimous support of GOP senators.  I did find one CNN story that talked about a letter signed by all GOP members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that said they would vote against.  Do you have some documentation?


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