How proficient are you at english? (native speakers welcome!)

Started by viper37, August 23, 2020, 03:10:34 PM

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viper37

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/02/17/english-pronunciation-poem/
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If you can pronounce correctly every word in this poem, you will be speaking English better than 90% of the native English speakers in the worldAfter trying the verses, a Frenchman said he'd prefer six months of hard labour to reading six lines aloud, and we'll be honest with you, we struggled with parts of it.
I councur with that part :P




Here is the poem:
Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.
Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Fe0ffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.
Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation (think of Psyche!)
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.
Finally, which rhymes with enough,
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Admiral Yi

I don't know how to pronounce Melpomene.  There could be more.

The Brain

There are likely a few that I would miss, but they seemed mostly familiar.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

PDH

I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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"I'm pretty sure my level of depression has nothing to do with how much of a fucking asshole you are."

-CdM

viper37

Quote from: The Brain on August 23, 2020, 03:26:35 PM
There are likely a few that I would miss, but they seemed mostly familiar.
taken individually, I can get most of them, but trying to read it as a continuous poem, without making mistakes, that I found to be hard.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

merithyn

I was maybe 10 lines in before I realized the point the poem was trying to make. :lol:

Like Yi, Melpomene is the only one I stumbled on.
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

PDH

Quote from: merithyn on August 23, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
I was maybe 10 lines in before I realized the point the poem was trying to make. :lol:

Like Yi, Melpomene is the only one I stumbled on.

That is a tragedy.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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"I'm pretty sure my level of depression has nothing to do with how much of a fucking asshole you are."

-CdM

mongers

How proficient are you english? (native speakers welcome!)

Piss poor.  :bowler:
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Eddie Teach

I say all those words properly. It's other people who are wrong.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

merithyn

Quote from: PDH on August 23, 2020, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 23, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
I was maybe 10 lines in before I realized the point the poem was trying to make. :lol:

Like Yi, Melpomene is the only one I stumbled on.

That is a tragedy.

The words just... are. :blush:
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

Josquius

I have problems with poems. Through childhood years of reading Tolkein, the Red Wall series, etc... I've developed a habit of my eyes glazing over and skipping ahead whenever I see slightly indented text going on for lines. Poems are hard..

Anyway.
Pronounced correctly according to which rules?
How do I know I've read a word wrong? - surely it I think something is correct that is the one I shall use.
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Duque de Bragança

RP, obviously.  :smarty:
Geordies trying to read it could be funny to hear though.

Syt

Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 23, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
I don't know how to pronounce Melpomene.  There could be more.

Rule of thumb for Greek names IIRC: emphasis on third-last syllable (PO), and no silent syllables, with the last one long-ish, so the common English pronounciation would be something like Mel-PO-mi-nee
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

garbon

Quote from: Tyr on August 24, 2020, 04:41:06 AM
Anyway.
Pronounced correctly according to which rules?
How do I know I've read a word wrong? - surely it I think something is correct that is the one I shall use.

While I agree there is a bit of a hierarchy of pronunciations that using language such as 'correct' suggests, I think there are still something things that can widely be considered incorrect.

Like pronouncing fruit like 'frew-it' or Wednesday like 'wed-ness-day'
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Syt on August 24, 2020, 05:15:09 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 23, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
I don't know how to pronounce Melpomene.  There could be more.

Rule of thumb for Greek names IIRC: emphasis on third-last syllable (PO), and no silent syllables, with the last one long-ish, so the common English pronounciation would be something like Mel-PO-mi-nee

English Wiki disagrees partially: (/mɛlˈpɒmɪniː/
Probably easier to pronounce it in Ancient Greek:
Ancient Greek: Μελπομένη, romanized: Melpoménē

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melpomene