Chris Avellone accused of sexual misconduct by multiple women

[garbon]

Apologies to bogh, I guess it was too early when I read the comment.

I didn't read anything into the comment that wasn't there. If you say those people behave the way they do because they are white males, it stands to reason that you imply they would not act this way if they were not white males.

He posted two words and that spawned multiple posts from you and Toni. That seems like a pretty good example of reading a lot into a comment.

What I was struck by with your posts and Toni's was the surprise you felt at being 'racialised' and the resultant defensiveness. As a racial minority, I think it is rare to have a day with stumbling across some sort of racialised commentary online about the racial background I'm perceived to have. Or as I saw in this New Yorker review:

To be perceived as an individual, to not be associated with anything negative because of your skin color, she notes, is a privilege largely afforded to white people; although most school shooters, domestic terrorists, and rapists in the United States are white, it is rare to see a white man on the street reduced to a stereotype. Likewise, people of color often endure having their views attributed to their racial identities; the luxury of impartiality is denied them.

From that context, I read FunkMonk's comment as a joke that also identified a salient common characteristic, even if that characteristic is useless for actually solving the problem (though with Toni's post, it seems like he's viewing as less of a problem for gamers to solve a society in general...).

[Tamas]

Obviously being the majority skin colour means you are the target of racist stereotypes much less often, and I appreciate how this the daily normal for ethnic minorities. That doesn't make racism OK though.

On a personal note, I have had my (comparatively very tiny, obviously) share of  being a minority. Especially when it comes to Brexit and the plight of immigrants befalling this country it has been acceptable to singlenout East Europeans as the source of troubles. Several times I had to listen to how it wasn't me but these other East euros who were overcrowding and mooching on benefits. Incidentally a good portion of these wise people were not white.

So I am only 99% alien to the concept of being the target of racism. And I sure am glad my skin colour lets me blend in until I open my mouth because I can only imagine from stories how bad it can get when you can't.

But that comfort of being the majority skin colour should not justify racism. Nobody is racist because they want to be holding unfounded opinions. All racists believe they perfectly reasonable reasons for holding X ethnicity at fault for some alleged characteristic of theirs.

[FunkMonk]

Apologies to bogh, I guess it was too early when I read the comment.

I didn't read anything into the comment that wasn't there. If you say those people behave the way they do because they are white males, it stands to reason that you imply they would not act this way if they were not white males.

As garbs identified, it was a flippant remark. If I've hurt your feelings, my apologies.

I'll add that I think that, as "gamer" culture is predominantly populated with white males, and if the toxic subculture within the "gamer" community is predominantly white male, it is vitally important and incumbent upon white male "gamers" to get their shit together and erode the bullshit within their community.

[Tonitrus]

Apologies to bogh, I guess it was too early when I read the comment.

I didn't read anything into the comment that wasn't there. If you say those people behave the way they do because they are white males, it stands to reason that you imply they would not act this way if they were not white males.

He posted two words and that spawned multiple posts from you and Toni. That seems like a pretty good example of reading a lot into a comment.

What I was struck by with your posts and Toni's was the surprise you felt at being 'racialised' and the resultant defensiveness. As a racial minority, I think it is rare to have a day with stumbling across some sort of racialised commentary online about the racial background I'm perceived to have.

Not surprised, and not intending to be defensive...just to say it more of a reflection of the predominant demographic.  If it came out clumsily, I'll own that.

From that context, I read FunkMonk's comment as a joke that also identified a salient common characteristic, even if that characteristic is useless for actually solving the problem (though with Toni's post, it seems like he's viewing as less of a problem for gamers to solve a society in general...).

I didn't intend to comment on whose problem it is to solve.  I'm not even sure it even really can solved, or if it is a sign of the degradation of society in general...with this aspect being a particularly notable reflection of that.

[Tamas]

Apologies to bogh, I guess it was too early when I read the comment.

I didn't read anything into the comment that wasn't there. If you say those people behave the way they do because they are white males, it stands to reason that you imply they would not act this way if they were not white males.

As garbs identified, it was a flippant remark. If I've hurt your feelings, my apologies.

I'll add that I think that, as "gamer" culture is predominantly populated with white males, and if the toxic subculture within the "gamer" community is predominantly white male, it is vitally important and incumbent upon white male "gamers" to get their shit together and erode the bullshit within their community.

It is predominantly white male because the population is predominantly white. Although I will conceded that I have no idea about the inclusivity of say, Japanese or Nigerian gamer communities.

[garbon]

Apologies to bogh, I guess it was too early when I read the comment.

I didn't read anything into the comment that wasn't there. If you say those people behave the way they do because they are white males, it stands to reason that you imply they would not act this way if they were not white males.

As garbs identified, it was a flippant remark. If I've hurt your feelings, my apologies.

I'll add that I think that, as "gamer" culture is predominantly populated with white males, and if the toxic subculture within the "gamer" community is predominantly white male, it is vitally important and incumbent upon white male "gamers" to get their shit together and erode the bullshit within their community.

It is predominantly white male because the population is predominantly white. Although I will conceded that I have no idea about the inclusivity of say, Japanese or Nigerian gamer communities.

You do keep saying that but why does the gamer population need to necessarily reflect population demographics? After all shouldn't it then be primarily female?

[Barrister]

You do keep saying that but why does the gamer population need to necessarily reflect population demographics? After all shouldn't it then be primarily female?

Men and women play different kinds of games.  Women much more play on their mobile devices.

[garbon]

You do keep saying that but why does the gamer population need to necessarily reflect population demographics? After all shouldn't it then be primarily female?

Men and women play different kinds of games.  Women much more play on their mobile devices.

Quick check suggest about 45% of gamers are women.

[Tonitrus]

Perhaps it stems from the same cause (and I won't even begin to suggest I know for sure what that is) to the demographic disparity in violent criminal behavior between men and women.

[FunkMonk]

Apologies to bogh, I guess it was too early when I read the comment.

I didn't read anything into the comment that wasn't there. If you say those people behave the way they do because they are white males, it stands to reason that you imply they would not act this way if they were not white males.

As garbs identified, it was a flippant remark. If I've hurt your feelings, my apologies.

I'll add that I think that, as "gamer" culture is predominantly populated with white males, and if the toxic subculture within the "gamer" community is predominantly white male, it is vitally important and incumbent upon white male "gamers" to get their shit together and erode the bullshit within their community.

It is predominantly white male because the population is predominantly white. Although I will conceded that I have no idea about the inclusivity of say, Japanese or Nigerian gamer communities.

Focusing on the toxic subculture of the video gaming community as we see it in the Western world, we see a predominantly white male community that is complaining about the growing influence of women and minorities. Where have I seen that before?

[crazy canuck]

Apologies to bogh, I guess it was too early when I read the comment.

I didn't read anything into the comment that wasn't there. If you say those people behave the way they do because they are white males, it stands to reason that you imply they would not act this way if they were not white males.

As garbs identified, it was a flippant remark. If I've hurt your feelings, my apologies.

I'll add that I think that, as "gamer" culture is predominantly populated with white males, and if the toxic subculture within the "gamer" community is predominantly white male, it is vitally important and incumbent upon white male "gamers" to get their shit together and erode the bullshit within their community.

It is predominantly white male because the population is predominantly white. Although I will conceded that I have no idea about the inclusivity of say, Japanese or Nigerian gamer communities.

Focusing on the toxic subculture of the video gaming community as we see it in the Western world, we see a predominantly white male community that is complaining about the growing influence of women and minorities. Where have I seen that before?

Yeah, white male gamers reflect the wider white Male culture.   

[Tamas]

Apologies to bogh, I guess it was too early when I read the comment.

I didn't read anything into the comment that wasn't there. If you say those people behave the way they do because they are white males, it stands to reason that you imply they would not act this way if they were not white males.

As garbs identified, it was a flippant remark. If I've hurt your feelings, my apologies.

I'll add that I think that, as "gamer" culture is predominantly populated with white males, and if the toxic subculture within the "gamer" community is predominantly white male, it is vitally important and incumbent upon white male "gamers" to get their shit together and erode the bullshit within their community.

It is predominantly white male because the population is predominantly white. Although I will conceded that I have no idea about the inclusivity of say, Japanese or Nigerian gamer communities.

Focusing on the toxic subculture of the video gaming community as we see it in the Western world, we see a predominantly white male community that is complaining about the growing influence of women and minorities. Where have I seen that before?

Yeah, white male gamers reflect the wider white Male culture.

Could you help me out and highlight some of the key differences between white male culture and other male cultures that make white male culture such a distinct easily identifiable source of misogyny?

[crazy canuck]

About 400 years or so of thinking they are the superior "race"

[grumbler]

About 400 years or so of thinking they are the superior "race"

So the Chinese are "white" now?

Oh.  You said 400 years, not 4000 years.  My apologies.

[viper37]

This seems like a strange point to make given that per the press releases and the video that Syt linked, there is a lot of "everyday" misogyny that has been occurring from gamers/game makers outside the internet.

how many black gamers in a position of authority are there?
how many women leading a team?