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[Sheilbh]

They've started attacking hospitals as well, I'm beyond words now 

Fucking hell

What is it? Are they just really anti-lockdown or are they "plandemic" nutters?

I get furious about our "plandemic" protesters shouting that it's a hoax outside hospitals, I can't imagine the mindset that causes people to do that or attack hospitals right now

Edit: Incidentally on AZ - apparently their line is they agreed pre-buying with the UK three months before they did with the EU, that gave them three extra months to re-tool their facilities etc. I also saw a Belgian reporter note that AZ were flagging issues in converting the factory in Belgium and finding skilled staff in June/July there's a quote that "what normally takes several years, Henogen had to do in a few months". I wonder if there'd be some way to speed up the work in the factory given that it's of strategic importance?

[Josquius]

The Dutch lockdown doesn't even seem to be that bad. They're still allowed visitors. Fucking hell.

[Maladict]

They've started attacking hospitals as well, I'm beyond words now 

Fucking hell

What is it? Are they just really anti-lockdown or are they "plandemic" nutters?

I get furious about our "plandemic" protesters shouting that it's a hoax outside hospitals, I can't imagine the mindset that causes people to do that or attack hospitals right now

Some nutters for sure, but it seems to me it's mostly just people looking for a fight. Hooligans that haven't been able to beat someone up at a stadium for months, poor guys. 

And then maybe they get prodded into attacking a hospital by hoaxers? I don't know.

[Maladict]

The Dutch lockdown doesn't even seem to be that bad. They're still allowed visitors. Fucking hell.

Yeah, one visitor and a 9 PM curfew. For some people that can be particularly harsh, but for the majority it's not that much of an imposition.

[celedhring]

They've started attacking hospitals as well, I'm beyond words now 

Fucking hell

What is it? Are they just really anti-lockdown or are they "plandemic" nutters?

I get furious about our "plandemic" protesters shouting that it's a hoax outside hospitals, I can't imagine the mindset that causes people to do that or attack hospitals right now

Some nutters for sure, but it seems to me it's mostly just people looking for a fight. Hooligans that haven't been able to beat someone up at a stadium for months, poor guys. 

And then maybe they get prodded into attacking a hospital by hoaxers? I don't know.

Heh, reaffirms me in my stance of football serving a very important mission in allowing humans to behave like assholes in a controlled environment.

[Maladict]

They've started attacking hospitals as well, I'm beyond words now 

Fucking hell

What is it? Are they just really anti-lockdown or are they "plandemic" nutters?

I get furious about our "plandemic" protesters shouting that it's a hoax outside hospitals, I can't imagine the mindset that causes people to do that or attack hospitals right now

Some nutters for sure, but it seems to me it's mostly just people looking for a fight. Hooligans that haven't been able to beat someone up at a stadium for months, poor guys. 

And then maybe they get prodded into attacking a hospital by hoaxers? I don't know.

Heh, reaffirms me in my stance of football serving a very important mission in allowing humans to behave like assholes in a controlled environment.

Perhaps. I'm also seeing reports of the 'ultra' type supporter groups rallying to protect their cities. So who knows.

[Syt]

Meanwhile, Tyrol does Tyrol things.

- 16 ski lift/cable car operators have tested positive for Covid (Ski lifts are allowed to operate, provided the follow strict protocols)
- in St. Anton am Arlberg, dozens of Scandinavians and Brits are partying it up, having rented places in hotels as "secondary residence" while "looking for work"
- several hotel owners spent Christmas golfing in South Africa during the lockdown; they're assumed to be the source of the South African mutation that's been popping up in Tyrol

[Sheilbh]

Got to be honest Netherlands is near the bottom of the list where I'd expect people to start rioting out of sort of lockdown boredom

Always good to confound stereotypes (and the top is, of course, France ).

Edit:

- in St. Anton am Arlberg, dozens of Scandinavians and Brits are partying it up, having rented places in hotels as "secondary residence" while "looking for work"

FFS

The only answer is to burn Clapham to the ground and salt the earth.

[Josquius]

Have to say I'm not getting the point of the curfew whilst still allowing visitors.
Surely taking your dog for a 10pm walk isn't exactly a spread vector?

[celedhring]

We have had some isolated cases of dumbasses attacking the cops after being caught breaking curfew, but nothing major or widespread so far. We haven't had the fringe elements of our political spectrum agitating against the lockdown (outside peaceful protests), fortunately.

[Sheilbh]

Have to say I'm not getting the point of the curfew whilst still allowing visitors.
Surely taking your dog for a 10pm walk isn't exactly a spread vector?

I'm not convinced by curfews - I didn't buy our 10pm one was going to make the slightest bit of difference. And it feels to me like you possibly end up increasing the risk of lots of people crowded waiting to get into the shops or in the shops?

Good news - J&J CEO says they expect to publish vaccine results next week. From the rumours it all looks positive. They were meant to start delivering in February but apparently also have manufacturing difficulties () so won't be actually supplying any vaccines until April/May. But an effective single shot vaccine will be a huge help.

[Sheilbh]

And in that Handelsblatt story going to promote anxiety, uncertainty, fears etc over the vaccine even if it's wrong (and it seems that it is) - headline in the Guardian today:

Should we worry about claims AstraZeneca jab has 8% efficacy in over-65s?

[Duque de Bragança]

Meanwhile, Tyrol does Tyrol things.

- 16 ski lift/cable car operators have tested positive for Covid (Ski lifts are allowed to operate, provided the follow strict protocols)
- in St. Anton am Arlberg, dozens of Scandinavians and Brits are partying it up, having rented places in hotels as "secondary residence" while "looking for work"
- several hotel owners spent Christmas golfing in South Africa during the lockdown; they're assumed to be the source of the South African mutation that's been popping up in Tyrol

Hopefully South Tyrol/Alto Adige is more orderly.

[Maladict]

Have to say I'm not getting the point of the curfew whilst still allowing visitors.
Surely taking your dog for a 10pm walk isn't exactly a spread vector?

Dog walking is allowed, one of 5 or 6 exceptions.

Needless to say, the dogwalking business is booming.

[Maladict]

Got to be honest Netherlands is near the bottom of the list where I'd expect people to start rioting out of sort of lockdown boredom

Always good to confound stereotypes (and the top is, of course, France ).

Yeah, I don't see why this stuff couldn't happen here, I don't really get the surprised reactions from within the country.

That said, these are the worst riots/unrest since the 80s. And those riots were much cooler, because it was the 80s.