Star Wars Megathread

[Syt]

We could have had 4 seasons of Andor, we only got 2. Thats Filoni's decision.

Pretty sure Gilroy and Luna looked at the timelines and decided that they can't tie themselves down for up to ten years for the show's originally planned 5 year run.

[Bauer]

I've found the discussions of these two PolSci professors from UConn about Andor interesting.

https://youtu.be/ExUkCpfLeZw

Question to native speakers - what accent does the prof in the checkered shirt have? I can't quite place it, and his CV only says that he has British citizenship.

I think he's Scottish but probably has lived in England awhile.

[Bauer]

If they made four seasons it wouldn't have been as good.  Quality over quantity.

What I don't understand is how movie studios go into huge budget productions without planning scripts far in advance.  Thinking of episodes 7-9 (and many other non Star Wars things).  Andor and Rogue one clearly had a plan in place of where they started and wanted to finish and tied it in very well.

Most of the new Star Wars has been bad.  Obi wan should never have been made with that script.  How did Acolyte get that huge budget? It's really mind boggling.

[HVC]

Two part answer I think. 1 there is a plan and execs fuck with the plan (ie market research), and/or 2 they know it'll make money anyway so why go through the bother.

[crazy canuck]

If they made four seasons it wouldn't have been as good.  Quality over quantity.

What I don't understand is how movie studios go into huge budget productions without planning scripts far in advance.  Thinking of episodes 7-9 (and many other non Star Wars things).  Andor and Rogue one clearly had a plan in place of where they started and wanted to finish and tied it in very well.

Most of the new Star Wars has been bad.  Obi wan should never have been made with that script.  How did Acolyte get that huge budget? It's really mind boggling.

I disagree. The first three episodes of the second season or terrible and now it's clear that the reason for that is because they had to compress a bunch of plot lines from what was supposed to be multiple seasons into those three episodes and it just didn't work.

Also remember that this was originally written for the full season plan and so the writing had to change as well.

All of that happened after season one and season one was some of the best contact we have ever seen. I don't see any reason why that the other seasons that had been planned would have dipped in quality. What we do now is that the second season dip and quality as a result of the compression of seasons, but thankfully recovered.

[The Minsky Moment]

1. You can't assume the suits know the difference between a good and bad script.
2. Good scripts often mean taking chances and the suits don't like doing that like core franchises.  When they did take a little bit of a risk with 8, and it didn't work out as hoped, they went back to safety again and just recycled the old characters/plots again.  Hey it worked for 7.
3. SW movies have always been about merchandising as much as the movies themselves (hat tip Mel Brooks) and hence there must be mass market appeal and nods to the kiddies. An Andor-like script would not be green lit for a core franchise film. The Cassian Existential Angst action figure won't kill it at Christmas.

[Bauer]

@CC I see your point about episodes 1-3 maybe being part of some different arc and not quite working in season 2.  I just think they probably did everything you can expect in terms of world building this ISB period and character arcs.  Extra seasons would have just slowed it down and 24 episodes was quite a lot after all.

Mandalorian seasons 1-2 were excellent and season 3 so-so.

[Valmy]

"Lucas has raped my childhood!"
"KK is destroying Star Wars!"
"Filoni is saving Star Wars!"
"Filoni is destroying Star Wars!"
"Bring Lucas back to save Star Wars!"

I really don't understand this perspective.

I don't really care for much of Star Wars but there are a few things in there that are really good. You can just enjoy the good stuff and ignore the slop. How that destroys anything is beyond me.

[Duque de Bragança]

"Lucas has raped my childhood!"

I really don't understand this perspective.

I don't really care for much of Star Wars but there are a few things in there that are really good. You can just enjoy the good stuff and ignore the slop. How that destroys anything is beyond me.

Easy. 

[Syt]

I really don't understand this perspective.

I don't really care for much of Star Wars but there are a few things in there that are really good. You can just enjoy the good stuff and ignore the slop. How that destroys anything is beyond me.

Exactly. People often take "their" franchises way too serious. And what one person hates, another one likes. There was a guy on reddit saying he found Andor dull and boring and enjoyed Ahsoka and Kenobi a lot more. I disagree, but hey - whatever floats his boat.

The prequels got slammed at release, but now there's a whole generation that grew up with them as kids and for who it is "their" Star Wars that they are nostalgic about (helped by Clone Wars, tbf). We will get that for the sequels at some point too, I guess. So what? Let people enjoy things.

[Valmy]

The prequels got slammed at release, but now there's a whole generation that grew up with them as kids and for who it is "their" Star Wars that they are nostalgic about (helped by Clone Wars, tbf). We will get that for the sequels at some point too, I guess. So what? Let people enjoy things.

Not slammed enough! Languish convinced me that Episode III was actually good, to the point I actually went and saw it. I will never forgive you guys for that  Though to be fair it was mostly Tim.

But yes. If the 2000s kids think they are God's gift to cinema, good on them. Just don't make me watch them.

[HVC]

The prequels got slammed at release, but now there's a whole generation that grew up with them as kids and for who it is "their" Star Wars that they are nostalgic about (helped by Clone Wars, tbf). We will get that for the sequels at some point too, I guess. So what? Let people enjoy things.

Not slammed enough! Languish convinced me that Episode III was actually good, to the point I actually went and saw it. I will never forgive you guys for that  Though to be fair it was mostly Tim.

But yes. If the 2000s kids think they are God's gift to cinema, good on them. Just don't make me watch them.

I always liked the prequels the first specifically. I'm actually lukewarm on the original trilogy, and was thoroughly disappointed in the sequels. Truthfully I've always enjoyed the idea of star wars far more then the execution.

[Duque de Bragança]

The prequels got slammed at release, but now there's a whole generation that grew up with them as kids and for who it is "their" Star Wars that they are nostalgic about (helped by Clone Wars, tbf). We will get that for the sequels at some point too, I guess. So what? Let people enjoy things.

Not slammed enough! Languish convinced me that Episode III was actually good, to the point I actually went and saw it. I will never forgive you guys for that  Though to be fair it was mostly Tim.

But yes. If the 2000s kids think they are God's gift to cinema, good on them. Just don't make me watch them.

It gets really comical when they claim to be real Star Wars fans, yet reveal they have not watched the "old" movies. "You mean like the Jar Jar Binks trilogy? 
After all, they are older than the Disney starwarsploitation". 

People have had bad taste since the beginning of History.  Seneca complained about Iliad nerds, and so on...
Episode III is the least bad of the three, so not exactly an endorsement. Have not seen episode II for a while.
Watching the Jar Jar Binks Episode when it was rereleased in cinemas, with a new cut of course, Lucas-style, was more of an exercise in enduring mediocrity than a renewed rape of childhood. 

[viper37]

The way he says he loves the show is just PR because he's said bad things about all the other series he's not the source of.

He's in a position to gatekeep now and for a little while too. We could have had 4 seasons of Andor, we only got 2. Thats Filoni's decision.

The only other series he wasn't involved at all was The Acolyte.

Filoni is the creator, executive producer and sole writer of live-action miniseries Ahsoka, and is an executive producer on The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, and Skeleton Crew. Filoni is also the creator and executive producer of the animated series Star Wars Resistance, Star Wars: The Bad Batch and Tales of the Jedi, and an executive producer of the web series Star Wars Forces of Destiny. Filoni is an executive vice president at Lucasfilm, and in 2023 accepted a promotion to chief creative officer. 

He was involved in Clone Wars and Rebels as well as the last season of the Mandalorian.

I can't remember hearing about him trash talking the first 2 seasons.

[viper37]

Hmm.  The boss must not be happy.  He was painting himself as a Jedi not so long ago...

https://bsky.app/profile/bmanlegoboy.bsky.social/post/3lp7udu323c2t