Crusader Kings III

[Valmy]

I'd also suggest some of those should be deleted but don't they think are as racist as portraying Indian leaders as naked primitives.

Hey I am not saying it isn't racist just how we got from tiny bits of evidence to just having it in the game.

[Valmy]

Khazars are real.  In fact, I have a Khazar dictionary on my Kindle!

The Khazars were, of course, real. The evidence supporting the fact they were Jewish is based on I think a coin that was discovered. It is super flimsy. Which is too bad because I thought the whole concept was awesome.

[Syt]

Khazars are real.  In fact, I have a Khazar dictionary on my Kindle!

I have that one on my shelf.

[garbon]

I'd also suggest some of those should be deleted but don't they think are as racist as portraying Indian leaders as naked primitives.

Hey I am not saying it isn't racist just how we got from tiny bits of evidence to just having it in the game.

Oh I agree, they love meme content.

[Caliga]

The Khazars were, of course, real. The evidence supporting the fact they were Jewish is based on I think a coin that was discovered. It is super flimsy. Which is too bad because I thought the whole concept was awesome.

Didn't a number of their Khans also have Hebrew names?  IIRC the theory is that the Khazar Khaganate was multi-cultural and some of the ruling class was Jewish, but probably few to none of the common folk were.

[Valmy]

Well here is a video with all the evidence for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr7WSR_EE44&list=PLSmG0ySpQbe51uif8vvWhRVCERBm-sEnE&index=40

So ok maybe there is a bit more than just a coin, even though that is the only actual artifact found I think.

Still like you say I don't think there were hordes of Jewish turkish nomads riding across the steppe like I wish was the case.

[garbon]

I've never seen this come up before in the often repeated discussion if CK should feature Hellenism as starting religion.

So I am a Hellenist IRL and I have some thoughts on Hellenism; specifically I am a reconstructionist polytheist. Yes I worship all the Greek Gods and Goddesses.

[Syt]

I mean you get all kinds of neo-pagans (esp. of the Celtic or Norse variety), so why not a Hellene, I guess?

[The Brain]

How do you find the time to worship all the Greek gods and goddesses?

[jimmy olsen]

How do you find the time to worship all the Greek gods and goddesses?

Even Greeks didn't have time for that, they just worshipped the ones applicable to the current situation.

[Razgovory]

I've never seen this come up before in the often repeated discussion if CK should feature Hellenism as starting religion.

So I am a Hellenist IRL and I have some thoughts on Hellenism; specifically I am a reconstructionist polytheist. Yes I worship all the Greek Gods and Goddesses.

[crazy canuck]

Meh, not much different from a Catholic observing all the feast days of saints 

[Valmy]

Meh, not much different from a Catholic observing all the feast days of saints 

Carrying on some superstition out of tradition and continuity is one thing, inventing one based on some ancient stuff is another

But as far as reconstructionist pagan religions and their relation to this era: well there is a reason they are reconstructionist and not revivalist. With the Norse Gods we have lots of their stories from the Icelandic epic poems and all that but we know very little about how the religion was actually practiced. And for the Celtic religion the situation is far worse.

And if I wanted to sacrifice a bull to Zeus or read the augurs of some entrails would anybody actually know how? And if not aren't we basically inventing an entirely new religion? That has nothing to do with the CK3 era, so what relevance does somebody being reconstructionist have to do with the game?

It made kind of a bit of sense to have Hellenism in CK2 (by CK2 standards where even a rumor of something happening is good enough to have in the game) since in the 769 starting date there were a few holdouts for the Hellenistic faith still left in isolated areas but by the 9th century they were all gone.

[crazy canuck]

Meh, not much different from a Catholic observing all the feast days of saints 

Carrying on some superstition out of tradition and continuity is one thing, inventing one based on some ancient stuff is another

Dont be too hard on Christianity.   

[Valmy]

Meh, not much different from a Catholic observing all the feast days of saints 

Carrying on some superstition out of tradition and continuity is one thing, inventing one based on some ancient stuff is another

Dont be too hard on Christianity.   

Christianity can take it.