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Started by Syt, October 19, 2019, 04:02:55 AM

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jimmy olsen

#105
December 10, 2019, 07:32:49 PM Last Edit: December 11, 2019, 12:38:54 AM by jimmy olsen
Quote from: Tyr on December 04, 2019, 05:10:31 AM
Any sign of moving away from the paint the map pink that is the paradox norm?

A big issue with CK was the break with realism in a Swedish duke inheriting Norfolk...and suddenly Norfolk is part of Sweden. It should be possible to have titles within different kingdoms.

It's hard to gamify feudalism accurately. Games have rules and real life didn't. William the conqueror gave England to his brother and Normandy to his son for example.
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Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
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Valmy

#106
December 10, 2019, 07:38:31 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
It's hard to gamify feudalism accurately. Games had rules and real life didn't. William the conqueror gave England to his brother and Normandy to his son for example.

William the Conqueror did not have any brothers. William Rufus was his son, he was just a younger son than Robert Curthose who became Duke of Normandy.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Oexmelin

#107
December 10, 2019, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 10, 2019, 07:38:31 PM
William the Conqueror did not have any brothers. William Rufus was his son, he was just a younger son than Robert Curthose who became Duke of Normandy.

William indeed has brothers (half brothers): Odo of Bayeux and Robert of Mortain. But neither of them inherited England or Normandy.
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Valmy

#108
December 10, 2019, 11:26:29 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on December 10, 2019, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 10, 2019, 07:38:31 PM
William the Conqueror did not have any brothers. William Rufus was his son, he was just a younger son than Robert Curthose who became Duke of Normandy.

William indeed has brothers (half brothers): Odo of Bayeux and Robert of Mortain. But neither of them inherited England or Normandy.

Right. I was thinking there were no other sons of his father who would stand to inherit Normandy, not other sons of his mother. Though yeah those guys were still his brothers.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

jimmy olsen

#109
December 11, 2019, 12:40:31 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 10, 2019, 07:38:31 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
It's hard to gamify feudalism accurately. Games had rules and real life didn't. William the conqueror gave England to his brother and Normandy to his son for example.

William the Conqueror did not have any brothers. William Rufus was his son, he was just a younger son than Robert Curthose who became Duke of Normandy.
:Embarrass: A shameful mistake.

Well that's even weirder.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point

Josquius

#110
December 11, 2019, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on December 04, 2019, 05:10:31 AM
Any sign of moving away from the paint the map pink that is the paradox norm?

A big issue with CK was the break with realism in a Swedish duke inheriting Norfolk...and suddenly Norfolk is part of Sweden. It should be possible to have titles within different kingdoms.

It's hard to gamify feudalism accurately. Games have rules and real life didn't. William the conqueror gave England to his brother and Normandy to his son for example.

Give whatever title to whoever you want but suffer actual consequences of massive penalties to chivalry, nobility led revolt risks, etc....
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garbon

#111
January 28, 2020, 09:56:54 AM
I can't shake the feeling that every diary seems to describe less of a 'history game' and more of an RPG with a political map.

*quotes to highlight the fair comment that CK2 wasn't really a game about history either -_-
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
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Tamas

#112
January 28, 2020, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 28, 2020, 09:56:54 AM
I can't shake the feeling that every diary seems to describe less of a 'history game' and more of an RPG with a political map.

*quotes to highlight the fair comment that CK2 wasn't really a game about history either -_-

Yeah the character leveling thing I am really uncertain about. I'd prefer having to live with random shit like in CK2.

Of course, in CK2 once you have learned the system you can game around almost every negative effect of that randomisation, but still .

garbon

#113
January 28, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
And I guess then you are doing character leveling for every single ruler.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Oexmelin

#114
January 28, 2020, 05:44:16 PM
Feudal Manager 2020. 
Que le grand cric me croque !

Valmy

#115
January 28, 2020, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 28, 2020, 09:56:54 AM
I can't shake the feeling that every diary seems to describe less of a 'history game' and more of an RPG with a political map.

*quotes to highlight the fair comment that CK2 wasn't really a game about history either -_-

Yeah but CK2 went far enough I think from accurately modeling history, no need to go further. I mean we already have kingdoms being made stronger because the king got a dog :P
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

The Minsky Moment

#116
January 29, 2020, 03:16:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 28, 2020, 08:04:26 PM
Yeah but CK2 went far enough I think from accurately modeling history, no need to go further. I mean we already have kingdoms being made stronger because the king got a dog :P

Ridiculous.  A kingdom for a horse, sure, but a dog?
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The Brain

#117
January 29, 2020, 05:59:19 PM
Which character classes will be available at launch?
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Tamas

#118
January 30, 2020, 04:09:58 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 29, 2020, 05:59:19 PM
Which character classes will be available at launch?

:lol:

Josquius

#119
January 30, 2020, 05:28:03 AM
My views remain unchanged. That the only way forward for paradox games is to lessen the power of the map. With the map lying as the only interface the games inevitably become paint the world pink affairs even if that completely isn't what CK is meant to be about
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