Hearts of Iron IV

[Solmyr]

Another defeat for wokeism!

[The Minsky Moment]

Want to tell me again about how an abstracted economic model the colonial age that involves slavery is more problematic?

It's not abstracted. You build slave market buildings. European powers build "slave centers" in west Africa (or elsewhere) and then either traffic them to others or use them to staff plantations.

Not that his HOI stuff isn't problematic,  Goering increasing production efficiency is both appalling and comically absurd.  The only thing he produced efficiently was adipose tissue.

And that Rosenberg crap? "Effective administration"? Fuck Paradox.

[Syt]

I think it might be interesting to model the dysfunctional relationships in the upper echelons of the Third Reich, the jockeying for positions, etc. This ... is not it, though.

[Sheilbh]

Goring as competent? Microing occupation zones?

Nazi much?

Yeah that seems the main issue there.

Because like Syt I actually think there is probably something in a WW2 game in trying to build in the dysfunction of the Nazi regime which very much depended on the den of vipers of them. But having Goring primarily as a competent "skilled commander" and organiser doesn't seem to quite work...

[crazy canuck]

Want to tell me again about how an abstracted economic model the colonial age that involves slavery is more problematic?

It's not abstracted. You build slave market buildings. European powers build "slave centers" in west Africa (or elsewhere) and then either traffic them to others or use them to staff plantations.

Not that his HOI stuff isn't problematic,  Goering increasing production efficiency is both appalling and comically absurd.  The only thing he produced efficiently was adipose tissue.

And that Rosenberg crap? "Effective administration"? Fuck Paradox.

If you go back to my first post that you disagreed with, you will see that my point was that I did not expect paradox to worry too much about what they were doing with the slave trade in EU5 given what they are doing in HOI.

You disagreed with that point.  I'm still not really sure why.

I assumed you hadn't seen this DLC. But you have and so I'm rather confused by the position you took.

I thought I was making an uncontroversial point that the same company that makes a Nazi DLC isn't going to worry too much about the historical slave trade being portrayed in another game.

[Syt]

I think it's good to keep in mind that different teams work on different games (though of course people and managers can move from game to game). I feel e.g. Victoria 3 tries to be much more aware of its historical context. And CK3 may be silly and goofy at times, but a lot of its contents comes with short historical contexts.

Now, I'm not saying that every game about a time period should always show all the bad sides of it. There's room still for high level games about WW2 where you move anonymous counters on a hex map, or for purely tactical games. But when you zoom in on some of the most notorious characters in history, a little more context and sensitivity goes a long way - e.g. for Stalin they added a paranoia mechanic. As Japan you have Army and Navy competing with each other for primacy. For nazi Germany it seems to be bonuses without major drawbacks all around.

HOI seems to have leaned more and more into the memes and while alt-hist is a big part of the appeal of Paradox games, it seems offputting to present a Germany rework (which I hinted above would be long due considering how other countries were fleshed out) that seems to focus a bit too much on the "cool" factor of the Nazi Regime.

[grumbler]

... that seems to focus a bit too much on the "cool" factor fiction of the Nazi Regime.

FTFY

[Razgovory]

I suppose part of this is because of playability.  Players are unlikely to put people in their government with traits like "drug-addled embezzler", "convicted murderer", or "incompetent degenerate".

[HVC]

I suppose part of this is because of playability.  Players are unlikely to put people in their government with traits like "drug-addled embezzler", "convicted murderer", or "incompetent degenerate".

Did we not just watch the elections together?

[Syt]

I suppose part of this is because of playability.  Players are unlikely to put people in their government with traits like "drug-addled embezzler", "convicted murderer", or "incompetent degenerate".

They do in CK3.

[Solmyr]

But they don't want politics in their games! Portraying Nazis as bad would be woke, or something.

[The Minsky Moment]

I assumed you hadn't seen this DLC.

Right I hadn't seen the DLC.  I get your point now.  Last HoI game i put significant time into was HoI 2

[The Minsky Moment]

I suppose part of this is because of playability.  Players are unlikely to put people in their government with traits like "drug-addled embezzler", "convicted murderer", or "incompetent degenerate".

I think you are looking for the Presidential elections/What does X look like threads.

[crazy canuck]

I assumed you hadn't seen this DLC.

Right I hadn't seen the DLC.  I get your point now.  Last HoI game i put significant time into was HoI 2

That explains it. 

[Razgovory]

I am not figuring out how torpedo bombers work.  When my little single engine torpedo bombers engage with convoys they always lose.  They just don't engage with bigger ships.  I used to rack up kills with the little buggers in previous incarnations but I can't seem to get them to work now.