Crusader Kings III

[Zanza]

I think just about the only starting date other than the standard ones I have ever used was the 1081 Alexiad bookmark.

[Habbaku]

Ditto. I really liked the Alexiad start-date because of the unique situation and, of course, getting to play as Alexios.

[Oexmelin]

For all the money they make, they can probably afford to hire a history grad/nerd, who can work fulltime doing this research for both CK and EU.

That would mean admitting that such a labor has value.

[crazy canuck]

I think it is a marketing opportunity lost - being able to say they pay attention to the history would set them apart.

Especially if both brought in history profs to consult and marketed that fact.

[dps]

I think it is a marketing opportunity lost - being able to say they pay attention to the history would set them apart.

Especially if both brought in history profs to consult and marketed that fact.

The people who would care about things like that are the ones who are going to buy the game anyway.

[crazy canuck]

I think it is a marketing opportunity lost - being able to say they pay attention to the history would set them apart.

Especially if both brought in history profs to consult and marketed that fact.

The people who would care about things like that are the ones who are going to buy the game anyway.

I am not so sure Paradox has penetrated 100%  of the market of people who are interested in history.

[Josephus]

I think they should consider the history grad thing. I mean, they won't have to pay him (yes him) much...I mean where else can a history grad find work?

[Oexmelin]

I think they should consider the history grad thing. I mean, they won't have to pay him (yes him) much...I mean where else can a history grad find work?

History grads find jobs in many places, provided people are not too dumb to understand their worth.

But thank you for illustrating my point about how that sort of labor is not valued (and clearly not understood) even by people who purport to like history.

As for the gender implication, re-  

[HVC]

what percentage stick to a history related field? not being snarky, actually interested. Many moons ago when I was applying to universities I applied to some as a history major, but decided against it.

[Sophie Scholl]

I'm a history grad... who continues to work in the bar industry due to lack of finding something else that pays remotely close in the history field.  I'd even be willing to take a pay cut for a change in scenery, but when most museums and such places pay barely above minimum wage, well... fuck that.

[Oexmelin]

Yes, history is not a vocational training, and I try to disabuse the notion in my students that they will become historians with a BA. Not that they need much disabusing anymore. You cannot show up with history credentials into a dedicated type of job, with very few exceptions. Museums are non-profit, and for the majority of them, operate on a shoestring budget - although many remain places where you can climb the ladder and carve out a niche for yourself into comfortable living.

However, historical training is a pathway to many less conventional jobs: so far, my former students have been hired by banks, investment firms, consulting firms, charitable foundations, marketing firms, security consultants, government agencies, civil service, pharmaceuticals, software, etc. Many of course go on to law school.

Numbers suggest history grad start at lower wages at the beginning not their careers, but quickly catch up with other types of majors. Perhaps counterintuitively, English and History outperform a more vocational major such as psychology.

[The Brain]

History as it is being done at universities has huge quality problems. Often coupled with complete denial regarding said problems.

[mongers]

Yes, history is not a vocational training, and I try to disabuse the notion in my students that they will become historians with a BA. Not that they need much disabusing anymore. You cannot show up with history credentials into a dedicated type of job, with very few exceptions. Museums are non-profit, and for the majority of them, operate on a shoestring budget - although many remain places where you can climb the ladder and carve out a niche for yourself into comfortable living.
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Thanks Oexy, that's a good summary of the situation.

[Sophie Scholl]

Yes, history is not a vocational training, and I try to disabuse the notion in my students that they will become historians with a BA. Not that they need much disabusing anymore. You cannot show up with history credentials into a dedicated type of job, with very few exceptions. Museums are non-profit, and for the majority of them, operate on a shoestring budget - although many remain places where you can climb the ladder and carve out a niche for yourself into comfortable living.
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Thanks Oexy, that's a good summary of the situation.

Yeah.  It seems to be extremely low pay at every level till the top and then solid salaries.  Which is... a tad messed up in my opinion.  Seems like the field would be better off distributing payment to employees in a more balanced level.  I guess it is like most fields in the pay disparity though.  Hooray for the modern world.

[mongers]

Yes, history is not a vocational training, and I try to disabuse the notion in my students that they will become historians with a BA. Not that they need much disabusing anymore. You cannot show up with history credentials into a dedicated type of job, with very few exceptions. Museums are non-profit, and for the majority of them, operate on a shoestring budget - although many remain places where you can climb the ladder and carve out a niche for yourself into comfortable living.
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Thanks Oexy, that's a good summary of the situation.

Yeah.  It seems to be extremely low pay at every level till the top and then solid salaries.  Which is... a tad messed up in my opinion.  Seems like the field would be better off distributing payment to employees in a more balanced level.  I guess it is like most fields in the pay disparity though.  Hooray for the modern world.

Indeed.

And double odd given the income disparity between many of the well-off visitors and the 'run of the mill' museum/heritage staff.