Crusader Kings III

[Syt]

First culture DD: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/ck3-dev-diary-64-cultures-are-forever.1479565/

[Tamas]

It seems like a bit of a high fantasy version of medieval times but whatevs,

[garbon]

Personally, I feel like they never really got sorted out what was the difference between culture and language, so feels a little odd to be layering in language explicitly as another factor.

Traditions also look a bit odd as I think the two bits in bold contradict one another.

Traditions are the meat of the cultural overhaul, and provide that extra layer of variety and immersion that can have a significant impact on gameplay. An important aspect of traditions is that they give us a clear means of visualizing and explaining existing mechanics that previously just "was a thing" and never explained. Take Anglo-Saxon as an example. They have access to the Saxon Elective succession for no apparent reason other than "they do". Instead, they now have a tradition that grants them the succession law, making it clear as to why they have it. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, traditions serve as the perfect means of giving a culture additional flavour or gameplay bonuses that add a greater degree of variety across the map.

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Not all traditions will be available everywhere. We have both regional traditions, as well as traditions that are available depending on your heritage. The vast majority of them can be established regardless of circumstances, but might require certain conditions, such as 'Hill Dwellers' having the requirement that your culture must be present in a county with hills.

[Tamas]

Personally, I feel like they never really got sorted out what was the difference between culture and language, so feels a little odd to be layering in language explicitly as another factor.

Traditions also look a bit odd as I think the two bits in bold contradict one another.

Traditions are the meat of the cultural overhaul, and provide that extra layer of variety and immersion that can have a significant impact on gameplay. An important aspect of traditions is that they give us a clear means of visualizing and explaining existing mechanics that previously just "was a thing" and never explained. Take Anglo-Saxon as an example. They have access to the Saxon Elective succession for no apparent reason other than "they do". Instead, they now have a tradition that grants them the succession law, making it clear as to why they have it. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, traditions serve as the perfect means of giving a culture additional flavour or gameplay bonuses that add a greater degree of variety across the map.

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Not all traditions will be available everywhere. We have both regional traditions, as well as traditions that are available depending on your heritage. The vast majority of them can be established regardless of circumstances, but might require certain conditions, such as 'Hill Dwellers' having the requirement that your culture must be present in a county with hills.

It's a silly idea overall just giving the players another RPG-ish mechanic to clickety click on.

[Syt]

Tamas, why don't you go and create your own historical strategy games? Few in the market seem to satisfy you these days. Or maybe it's time to let the hobby go. Not meaning to sound snippish, I've been there with certain games and other media myself.

[Tamas]

 

[Syt]

It just feels like you're constantly moaning how shit (Paradox) games are these days.

[Habbaku]

That's not fair. He also constantly moans about how shit TV, movies, books, and politics are.

[Tamas]

 

[Valmy]

Tamas, why don't you go and create your own historical strategy games?

I mean did he not do exactly this professionally for several years

[jimmy olsen]

I don't know man. CK2 does it for me just right I am very hesitant to move on to the sequel, especially all my sunk costs

CK3 needs a little more than Throne Room simulators to get me interested.

The 3D portraits are much better at getting you invested in your character and family then the old 2D portraits.

[Tamas]

It just feels like you're constantly moaning how shit (Paradox) games are these days.

Ok now that I have calmed down a bit. How am I doing that?

Just in the Vicky 3 thread I was writing I am hopeful and considering applying for beta test if they are still doing those. I play CK3 regularly, albeit modded.  I was just raving about a non-Paradox game in the other thread just two days ago. I was even positive about Imperator for Christ's sake.

Yeah I don't like what they have disclosed about the culture system because so far it is transparently strengthens the "RPG-like" mechanics instead of the historical aspect of the game. It's going to be great for migration-era mods but the direction I don't agree with.

And what else, because we were discussing that the EU4 updates recently were a disaster? They were.

And Habbaku, I am sorry, but Archer just sucks.

[ulmont]

And Habbaku, I am sorry, but Archer just sucks.

[Syt]

The thing is, CK3 is a game. Paradox has been pretty clear that they put game over historicity for a while now. I find I enjoy their games better if I don't expect reasonably historically realistic gameplay.

[garbon]

The thing is, CK3 is a game. Paradox has been pretty clear that they put game over historicity for a while now. I find I enjoy their games better if I don't expect reasonably historically realistic gameplay.

I'd rather play CIV then if I want something that gives up all  but the merest trappings of history.