Epstein booked for trafficking underaged girls

[grumbler]

Yeah but incompetence is the simplest explanation.

It always is. That doesn't mean it is always the correct explanation. Can't rule it out without evidence to the contrary, though.

[Malthus]

Yeah but incompetence is the simplest explanation.

Indeed.

The discussion above is part of the reason - if it wasn't incompetence, the guards would have to have had a really strong motive (like a big pay out). Which ought to be reasonably easy for investigators to discover, even if steps are taken to disguise it.

In short - if it wasn't incompetence, we can expect some evidence of malice to surface.

[Legbiter]

It's a large organization, probably very understaffed and those working there are not the best and brightest. Hence, massive fuckups on a regular basis.

[The Brain]

You have to be pretty fucking incompetent to accidentally strangle yourself.

[Iormlund]

Yeah but incompetence is the simplest explanation.

Also habit.

Most people will try to take the shortest path. That's why we have audits.

If these centers have deficient auditing schemes, I guarantee that inspections are missed and checklists routinely faked. Because nothing ever happens. It ends up being part of the job.

[Sophie Scholl]

We still have access to his seconds, his victims, and all manner of other witnesses.  To think he would have magically spilled everything seems strange.  Though I'm not ruling out foul play, I lean toward a simple suicide at this point.  He had a lot to fear in terms of a long prison stay and the more that came out the less that his heirs would stand to inherit I presume.  Might as well off himself before reaching general population or seeing all of his assets seized to pay his victims.

[Razgovory]

I have a suspicion that a lot of guards wouldn't have to be paid to turn a blind eye towards a prisoner trying to kill himself.

Almost every CO I know and have encountered are very right wing.  Say it is for the good of Trump and The Party, and they'd assist in any way they could.

Everyone I met was pretty right wing as well.  They were to a man, blithering idiots.  For instance there was the occasion when a big moving truck from the prison came to the central office.  Two inmates got out of the cab, walked around back, and opened the door to the truck and two CO's jumped out.  We once had an off duty CO die during a fishing trip because he tried to swallow a living fish.  Last word were something to the effect "Hey guys, watch this".  The only saving grace is that most of the inmates are just as stupid.

[jimmy olsen]

If he was jailed for investment fraud or some other type of white-collar crime, maybe.  But for a pedophile?

The issue is the amount of heat they would have to take after the body was found.

The guards would have to have known that they would be raked over the coals by investigators if someone this high profile dies on their watch. The consequences for them personally are likely to be bad. So if it wasn't simply incompetence, they must have had a strong motive to take such a risk.

No doubt plenty of guards would not give a damn if a prisoner offs himself, particularly a wealthy pedophile. However, they do give a damn about themselves.

Officers almost never get in trouble for straight up killing unarmed people on the street. Due to this their risk assessment is skewed.

[jimmy olsen]

It's a large organization, probably very understaffed and those working there are not the best and brightest. Hence, massive fuckups on a regular basis.

It's only the 2nd suicide in that facility in the last 21 years IIRC, so they don't fuck up that often.

[Eddie Teach]

Officers almost never get in trouble for straight up killing unarmed people on the street. Due to this their risk assessment is skewed.

What does that have to do with prison guards?

[jimmy olsen]

Officers almost never get in trouble for straight up killing unarmed people on the street. Due to this their risk assessment is skewed.

What does that have to do with prison guards?

I think that police officers and corrections officers have similar mentalities.

[Eddie Teach]

Mentalities, sure. You were talking about experiences.

[The Minsky Moment]

I've been to that facility many times, always seemed pretty buttoned down, and they've had high profile prisoners there without much incident.
But you never really know

[Syt]

I've been to that facility many times

But always got out on technicalities?

[Iormlund]

I've been to that facility many times, always seemed pretty buttoned down, and they've had high profile prisoners there without much incident.
But you never really know

I thought you were in M&A for some reason. Perchance are you a VP at Pierce & Pierce?