Epstein booked for trafficking underaged girls

[Grinning_Colossus]

Why is this death being referred to as a suicide in much of the media, surely it's up to the relevant authorities to determine the cause of death?

The relevant authorities determined the cause of death well in advance. 

[jimmy olsen]

Autopsy shows multiple broken bones in Epstein's neck.

He was killed
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html

[Berkut]

Autopsy shows multiple broken bones in Epstein's neck.

He was killed
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html

"NBC News medical expert Dr. John Torres said that a broken hyoid "can happen in both strangulation and hanging, but occurs in more often in strangulations."

Torres noted that studies have found that a broken hyoid occurs in about 1 out of every 3 strangulations, and in 25% of hangings."

Did you even read the article you posted?

[Admiral Yi]

Maybe The Deep State is now working for Donnie. 

[HisMajestyBOB]

Autopsy shows multiple broken bones in Epstein's neck.

He was killed
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html

"NBC News medical expert Dr. John Torres said that a broken hyoid "can happen in both strangulation and hanging, but occurs in more often in strangulations."

Torres noted that studies have found that a broken hyoid occurs in about 1 out of every 3 strangulations, and in 25% of hangings."

Did you even read the article you posted?

So a slightly more plausible suicide than "shot himself in the back of the head three times."

[Berkut]

Autopsy shows multiple broken bones in Epstein's neck.

He was killed
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html

"NBC News medical expert Dr. John Torres said that a broken hyoid "can happen in both strangulation and hanging, but occurs in more often in strangulations."

Torres noted that studies have found that a broken hyoid occurs in about 1 out of every 3 strangulations, and in 25% of hangings."

Did you even read the article you posted?

So a slightly more plausible suicide than "shot himself in the back of the head three times."

I think the entire think stinks to high heavens, but the "broken bone" thing isn't much evidence either way. Those breaks happen 1/3 times with strangulation, and 1/4 times with hanging. That isn't very compelling evidence that he didn't hang himself.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Autopsy shows multiple broken bones in Epstein's neck.

He was killed
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html

"NBC News medical expert Dr. John Torres said that a broken hyoid "can happen in both strangulation and hanging, but occurs in more often in strangulations."

Torres noted that studies have found that a broken hyoid occurs in about 1 out of every 3 strangulations, and in 25% of hangings."

Did you even read the article you posted?

So a slightly more plausible suicide than "shot himself in the back of the head three times."

I think the entire think stinks to high heavens, but the "broken bone" thing isn't much evidence either way. Those breaks happen 1/3 times with strangulation, and 1/4 times with hanging. That isn't very compelling evidence that he didn't hang himself.

Fair enough. I don't generally buy into these sorts of conspiracy theories, but it does almost seem like at least someone(s) were paid to turn a blind eye and let him kill himself.

[Zoupa]

Don't underestimate general incompetence. People lazy out and screw around at work all the time.

[katmai]

Don't underestimate general incompetence. People lazy out and screw around at work all the time.

How dare you talk about our president like that.

[dps]

Autopsy shows multiple broken bones in Epstein's neck.

He was killed
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html

"NBC News medical expert Dr. John Torres said that a broken hyoid “can happen in both strangulation and hanging, but occurs in more often in strangulations.”

Torres noted that studies have found that a broken hyoid occurs in about 1 out of every 3 strangulations, and in 25% of hangings."

Did you even read the article you posted?

So a slightly more plausible suicide than "shot himself in the back of the head three times."

I think the entire think stinks to high heavens, but the "broken bone" thing isn't much evidence either way. Those breaks happen 1/3 times with strangulation, and 1/4 times with hanging. That isn't very compelling evidence that he didn't hang himself.

Fair enough. I don't generally buy into these sorts of conspiracy theories, but it does almost seem like at least someone(s) were paid to turn a blind eye and let him kill himself.

I have a suspicion that a lot of guards wouldn't have to be paid to turn a blind eye towards a prisoner trying to kill himself.

[Sophie Scholl]

I have a suspicion that a lot of guards wouldn't have to be paid to turn a blind eye towards a prisoner trying to kill himself.

Almost every CO I know and have encountered are very right wing.  Say it is for the good of Trump and The Party, and they'd assist in any way they could.

[Tamas]

Autopsy shows multiple broken bones in Epstein's neck.

He was killed
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html

"NBC News medical expert Dr. John Torres said that a broken hyoid "can happen in both strangulation and hanging, but occurs in more often in strangulations."

Torres noted that studies have found that a broken hyoid occurs in about 1 out of every 3 strangulations, and in 25% of hangings."

Did you even read the article you posted?

So a slightly more plausible suicide than "shot himself in the back of the head three times."

I think the entire think stinks to high heavens, but the "broken bone" thing isn't much evidence either way. Those breaks happen 1/3 times with strangulation, and 1/4 times with hanging. That isn't very compelling evidence that he didn't hang himself.

Fair enough. I don't generally buy into these sorts of conspiracy theories, but it does almost seem like at least someone(s) were paid to turn a blind eye and let him kill himself.

I have a suspicion that a lot of guards wouldn't have to be paid to turn a blind eye towards a prisoner trying to kill himself.

For a regular prisoner, yeah I guess. But for an extremely high profile like this one, I am pretty sure bribery had to be made. I mean, it's one thing not to mind if somebody dies, it's another having to answer for it to your higher ups.

[dps]

Autopsy shows multiple broken bones in Epstein's neck.

He was killed
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html

"NBC News medical expert Dr. John Torres said that a broken hyoid “can happen in both strangulation and hanging, but occurs in more often in strangulations.”

Torres noted that studies have found that a broken hyoid occurs in about 1 out of every 3 strangulations, and in 25% of hangings."

Did you even read the article you posted?

So a slightly more plausible suicide than "shot himself in the back of the head three times."

I think the entire think stinks to high heavens, but the "broken bone" thing isn't much evidence either way. Those breaks happen 1/3 times with strangulation, and 1/4 times with hanging. That isn't very compelling evidence that he didn't hang himself.

Fair enough. I don't generally buy into these sorts of conspiracy theories, but it does almost seem like at least someone(s) were paid to turn a blind eye and let him kill himself.

I have a suspicion that a lot of guards wouldn't have to be paid to turn a blind eye towards a prisoner trying to kill himself.

For a regular prisoner, yeah I guess. But for an extremely high profile like this one, I am pretty sure bribery had to be made. I mean, it's one thing not to mind if somebody dies, it's another having to answer for it to your higher ups.

If he was jailed for investment fraud or some other type of white-collar crime, maybe.  But for a pedophile?

[Malthus]

If he was jailed for investment fraud or some other type of white-collar crime, maybe.  But for a pedophile?

The issue is the amount of heat they would have to take after the body was found.

The guards would have to have known that they would be raked over the coals by investigators if someone this high profile dies on their watch. The consequences for them personally are likely to be bad. So if it wasn't simply incompetence, they must have had a strong motive to take such a risk.

No doubt plenty of guards would not give a damn if a prisoner offs himself, particularly a wealthy pedophile. However, they do give a damn about themselves.   

[Valmy]

Yeah but incompetence is the simplest explanation.