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401(k)s Will be Unthinkable in 50 Years

Started by Habbaku, April 04, 2019, 12:55:47 PM

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Habbaku

Quotehttps://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18174385/retirement-savings-401-k

How much money do you have saved in your 401(k)? In 50 years, no one will ask. Even better, no one will have to provide the usual answer: way too little. Our 40-year experiment with 401(k)s — tax-favored investment accounts for retirement sponsored by employers — will be seen as an unfortunate interregnum, a massive waste of taxpayer dollars to bolster the retirement security of the rich while undermining the retirement security of the rest.

Added to the tax code with little foresight in 1978, Section 401(k) cannibalized America's public-private framework of retirement security. Prior to the regulatory authorization of 401(k)s in the early 1980s, employers couldn't legally provide tax-favored vehicles for retirement savings in which workers themselves controlled and directed the funds.

Instead, the pension plans that were the norm among medium and large firms — offered by roughly 4 in 5 such employers — were called "defined-benefit plans": basically a private form of Social Security where employers made most of the contributions, handled the investments, and paid out the benefits at retirement based on a formula that was legally binding.

Today, vanishingly few private employers provide a defined-benefit plan, and they're mostly legacy offerings covering older workers. If a recently hired worker has a plan at work — and more than a third of workers still aren't offered any plan — it's a 401(k). Three numbers and a letter spell the future of American retirement security.

And that's a problem. There's a reason, it turns out, why employers didn't hand retirement planning off to workers: 401(k)s are terrible at ensuring that those who need to save for retirement do. Indeed, over the same period in which 401(k)s expanded, the share of working-age households at risk of being financially unprepared at age 65 jumped from 31 percent (in 1983) to more than 53 percent (in 2010). Indeed, the terribleness of 401(k)s helped spark a new field of behavioral economics, which showed that voluntary plans in which people manage their own investments defy everything we know about how the brain works.

Traditional pension plans force people to save and protect them against investment mistakes, market risks, and the possibility of outliving their savings, not to mention predatory financial institutions. 401(k)s don't, and, lo and behold, most people don't put enough in them, make serious investment errors, and fall prey to heavy fees that crush long-term returns. Worse, because 401(k)s can be tapped into (with a penalty) before retirement and are transferred to workers when they lose or change jobs, middle-class workers often use them as rainy-day fund when times are tough, further beggaring retirement security.

Granted, 401(k)s work well for one group — the group who needs them least. For the affluent, 401(k)s are a lucrative way to manage retirement investments. They are also a great way to build up an estate and delay paying taxes. (Traditional defined-benefit plans didn't become part of workers' estates; like Social Security, they promised benefits for the remainder of a workers' lives, pooling the "risk" of living longer — and potentially running out of money — across all those covered by the plan.)

Because they are subsidized through delayed taxes, 401(k)s are worth the most to households in the highest tax brackets. Moreover, higher-income workers are also more likely to be offered a plan, to have their contributions matched by their employers, and, of course, to have the financial freedom to put money in them. As a result, nearly 70 percent of the $190 billion in tax breaks for retirement and income security accrue to the top 20 percent.

To be sure, 401(k)s have served one purpose. Corporate America's eager embrace of them showed that employers can't or won't play the role they once did. But we now know that individual risk management isn't a workable alternative to corporate risk-pooling.

The obvious solution is a strengthened Social Security system, and fortunately measures to boost Social Security's benefits are back on the national agenda (and enjoy overwhelming public support). John Larson, a Democratic representative from my home state of Connecticut, has 200 House co-sponsors for his "Social Security 2100 Act," which would boost benefits and raise revenues to ensure the program's solvency through, yes, 2100.

If 401(k)s were necessary to get such sensible measures a second look, then they deserve our grudging respect — at their funeral.

I broadly agree with the article. Expecting a massive cohort to knowledgeably plan for their retirement when they know nothing about how to direct their investments, and whose employers are often just as clueless, is a recipe for failure. Unsurprisingly, we're seeing a large portion of the Boomers and Gen-Xers who are going to be sorely prepared for retirement when combined with what they'll have from Social Security.

A bailout in the next 20-30 years seems highly likely, in my opinion.
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Valmy

This was my concern for Social Security privatization schemes. Ultimately too many people would be left with nothing and we would be politically forced to swoop in and rescue them anyway similar to this probable bailout.
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Josquius

Retirement is dead.
I empty my pension funds at every opportunity I get knowing my generation will be working till we drop anyway.
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Valmy

Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
Retirement is dead.
I empty my pension funds at every opportunity I get knowing my generation will be working till we drop anyway.

Well...you certainly will be if you empty your pension fund every chance you get :hmm:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

frunk

Quote from: Valmy on April 04, 2019, 02:38:09 PM

Well...you certainly will be if you empty your pension fund every chance you get :hmm:

Tyr believes in and implements self fulfilling prophecies.

Habbaku

Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
Retirement is dead.
I empty my pension funds at every opportunity I get knowing my generation will be working till we drop anyway.

Jesus Christ, I hope you're not serious.

You're basically stating that a forest fire will start soon, then going off and lighting it yourself.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

Habbaku

Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2019, 02:39:56 PM
BOOM

We all know you think there's nothing wrong whatsoever. Got yours, right?
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

Josquius

Quote from: Habbaku on April 04, 2019, 02:41:39 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
Retirement is dead.
I empty my pension funds at every opportunity I get knowing my generation will be working till we drop anyway.

Jesus Christ, I hope you're not serious.

You're basically stating that a forest fire will start soon, then going off and lighting it yourself.

Stating that a forest fire will start soon. So better gather my wood and go build a house elsewhere.
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Habbaku

The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

derspiess

Quote from: Habbaku on April 04, 2019, 02:41:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2019, 02:39:56 PM
BOOM

We all know you think there's nothing wrong whatsoever. Got yours, right?

Some of us still believe in personal responsibility :mellow:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Habbaku

If you'd speak in more than monosyllables, some of us might believe that.

I believe in personal responsibility quite a bit. I also believe in a personal responsibility to have a system that isn't guaranteed to screw over 2/3rds of the country by throwing them to the wolves and screaming "personal responsibility!" as the reason to ignore their ills.

Do you think the current system is tenable? What changes would you make, if any? Or would you just like to BOOM more?
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2019, 03:18:52 PM
Some of us still believe in personal responsibility :mellow:

Was there no personal responsibility back before 401(k)s?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Habbaku

Company pensions aren't personally responsible enough, I guess.

Let's devolve personal responsibility even further and make kids fend for themselves out of the womb, too.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Habbaku on April 04, 2019, 03:22:36 PM
I also believe in a personal responsibility to have a system that isn't guaranteed to screw over 2/3rds of the country

This is pretty histrionic.  Nothing about 401ks is guaranteed to screw over anyone.