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Michigan's unemployment reaches 15%

Started by Savonarola, July 17, 2009, 10:35:06 AM

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Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2009, 04:43:33 PM
Yes, I mean lack of laws that promote labor rigidity.  Basically we're all for dynamism on the job side, and all for rigidity on the personal life side.

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Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2009, 04:43:33 PM
Yes, I mean lack of laws that promote labor rigidity.  Basically we're all for dynamism on the job side, and all for rigidity on the personal life side.

Well, unless you live in some hellhole like Detroit, you don't normally have to move to change jobs. 

DGuller

Quote from: dps on July 17, 2009, 10:42:08 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2009, 04:43:33 PM
Yes, I mean lack of laws that promote labor rigidity.  Basically we're all for dynamism on the job side, and all for rigidity on the personal life side.

Well, unless you live in some hellhole like Detroit, you don't normally have to move to change jobs.
Depends on where you live (not just on the hellhole scale, but also on the size of town scale), and depends on what you do.

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They'd get better welfare.
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Neil

Quote from: Tyr on July 18, 2009, 07:27:06 AM
Just show that Michigan should really join Canada.
They'd get better welfare.
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DontSayBanana

Quote from: dps on July 17, 2009, 10:42:08 PM
Well, unless you live in some hellhole like Detroit, you don't normally have to move to change jobs.

There's more than just Detroit. The entire county I live in can be broken up into agriculture, food and utility services, retail, warehouses, and a handful of factories. There is effectively no commercial sector here besides retail, so if your skills are not in burger-flipping and you're not built like a bull, you pretty much have to leave the county.
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The Larch

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2009, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2009, 03:59:05 PM
It always struck me as strange that in America, social engineers promote high rate of job churn, and high rate of homeownership, at the same time.  Then again, promoting high rate of homeownership just by itself struck me as dimwitted as well, so I'm not sure where I'm going with this.
No idea what you mean by promoting job turnover, unless you mean the absence of European style labor market rigidities.  I can't think of any policies that are expressly designed to promote job hopping.

At will employment laws?

DontSayBanana

Quote from: The Larch on July 18, 2009, 09:19:35 AM
At will employment laws?

...Don't discourage it, but the only time I've seen turnover actually promoted was one employer that was used as work placement for pending parolees in a halfway house; the company got a fixed credit every time another inmate made it to two weeks, so they would usually play it safe and "lay them off" after three weeks.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Larch on July 18, 2009, 09:19:35 AM
At will employment laws?
Any law that increases labor market flexibility will have the effect of increasing turnover.  But that is different than having laws whose explicit purpose is to increase turnover.  No one ever says "let's pass this law so that people change jobs every year."

The Larch

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 18, 2009, 01:04:18 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 18, 2009, 09:19:35 AM
At will employment laws?
Any law that increases labor market flexibility will have the effect of increasing turnover.  But that is different than having laws whose explicit purpose is to increase turnover.  No one ever says "let's pass this law so that people change jobs every year."

Of course, but that's the net result you'll get when promoting extreme labour market flexibility.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Larch on July 18, 2009, 01:39:23 PM
Of course, but that's the net result you'll get when promoting extreme labour market flexibility.
To a certain extent.  But to say that the US "promotes job churn" is a little like saying Europe promotes unemployment.

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Yikes 15%! That's pretty brutal, I'm a week behind on all the news because the CNN feed almost never came in on the boat.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 18, 2009, 07:44:23 PM
Yikes 15%! That's pretty brutal, I'm a week behind on all the news because the CNN feed almost never came in on the boat.
What a shitty boat.  When I was on a boat in the Baltic, I had BBC, CNN and Fox News.  I don't even get Fox News at home.
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Savonarola

Quote from: Tyr on July 18, 2009, 07:27:06 AM
Just show that Michigan should really join Canada.
They'd get better welfare.

Given our plethora of Arabs, high unemployment and militiant unions we should become a department of France instead.  :frog:
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Tonitrus

I think if we handed Detroit over to Canada, they'd declare war.