Elon Musk: Always A Douche

[Sheilbh]

I think it is fair to call Musk a genius for what he achieved and I would also credit him personally with building very successful companies. One of the greatest entrepreneurs of all time and visionary on multiple technologies.

But he obviously went off the rails eventually and turned from entrepreneurial genius to crazy fascist. He seems to have been an asshole throughout.

I agree - I'm not sure on the last point around going off the rails.

It doesn't seem that odd in the country that produced Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan that horrendous politics and exercising those politics (and repression of workers) can go with extraordinary entrepreneurial ability.

I find it kind of interesting that for years we've talked about a new Gilded Age given levels of inequality - which perhaps also points to these vaunting business leaders. But that was also a peak period of American imperialism, which we're seeing again, of public corruption (ditto) and philanthropy laundering reputation. I wonder if that possibly also contains some ideas of how the Democrats should think of fighting back.

[garbon]

I think it is fair to call Musk a genius for what he achieved and I would also credit him personally with building very successful companies. One of the greatest entrepreneurs of all time and visionary on multiple technologies.

But he obviously went off the rails eventually and turned from entrepreneurial genius to crazy fascist. He seems to have been an asshole throughout.

I agree - I'm not sure on the last point around going off the rails.

I'd add that we would have been better off without him.

[frunk]

I was willing to give Musk more credit before it became abundantly clear how willing he is to fake expertise in things.

[crazy canuck]

Why would a bachelor of arts preclude one from being an engineer?

It is possible for someone to enter an engineering program after completing an arts degree.  Musk didn't do that.

But people like to believe the myth of Musk, so words lose meaning. Words like Engineer.

[DGuller]

Why would a bachelor of arts preclude one from being an engineer?

It is possible for someone to enter an engineering program after completing an arts degree.  Musk didn't do that.

But people like to believe the myth of Musk, so words lose meaning. Words like Engineer.

Or "bachelor of arts"...

[crazy canuck]

Why would a bachelor of arts preclude one from being an engineer?

It is possible for someone to enter an engineering program after completing an arts degree.  Musk didn't do that.

But people like to believe the myth of Musk, so words lose meaning. Words like Engineer.

Or "bachelor of arts"...

Your point being?

[DGuller]

Why would a bachelor of arts preclude one from being an engineer?

It is possible for someone to enter an engineering program after completing an arts degree.  Musk didn't do that.

But people like to believe the myth of Musk, so words lose meaning. Words like Engineer.

Or "bachelor of arts"...

Your point being?

That your desire to believe your own myth about Musk led you to assume that bachelor of arts is an arts degree.

[mongers]

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-trump-federal-workers-f44257ce4cf8c04c96c8ce0ce262842f

Musk gives all federal workers 48 hours to explain what they did last week

He continues to blindly execute the same playbook he used with Twitter.

Maybe 'to twitter' in a future dictionary will come to mean, to wilfully wreck something whilst humiliating the owner of it?

[garbon]

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-trump-federal-workers-f44257ce4cf8c04c96c8ce0ce262842f

Musk gives all federal workers 48 hours to explain what they did last week

He continues to blindly execute the same playbook he used with Twitter.

Maybe 'to twitter' in a future dictionary will come to mean, to wilfully wreck something whilst humiliating the owner of it?

Do you mean to x?

[crazy canuck]

Why would a bachelor of arts preclude one from being an engineer?

It is possible for someone to enter an engineering program after completing an arts degree.  Musk didn't do that.

But people like to believe the myth of Musk, so words lose meaning. Words like Engineer.

Or "bachelor of arts"...

Your point being?

That your desire to believe your own myth about Musk led you to assume that bachelor of arts is an arts degree.

I'm not sure why you were making that leap of logic. You asked the question whether a bachelor of arts to grief preclude someone from getting an engineering degree and the answer that is clearly no. Also, it is also true that musk does not have an engineering degree or if you want to get technical a degree in applied science.

A degree in applied science, or as is commonly known an engineering degree, is also not a bachelor of arts degree.  So again I have no idea what your point is.

Are you trying to argue that Musk has an engineering degree? Or in some other way is an engineer?

Also, something you may not be aware of, unless you were just trolling, a bachelor of arts degree is commonly referred to as an arts degree.  It may be that you just misunderstand what the meaning of an arts degree is.

[Savonarola]

I'm not sure why you were making that leap of logic. You asked the question whether a bachelor of arts to grief preclude someone from getting an engineering degree and the answer that is clearly no. Also, it is also true that musk does not have an engineering degree or if you want to get technical a degree in applied science.

A degree in applied science, or as is commonly known an engineering degree, is also not a bachelor of arts degree.  So again I have no idea what your point is.

Are you trying to argue that Musk has an engineering degree? Or in some other way is an engineer?

Also, something you may not be aware of, unless you were just trolling, a bachelor of arts degree is commonly referred to as an arts degree.  It may be that you just misunderstand what the meaning of an arts degree is.

I think there's a couple cultural differences here.  In Canada, (or at least most Canadian provinces) one needs to be a licensed Professional Engineer to call himself or herself an "Engineer."  In the United States that's not the case; at my company we have people without degrees in anything that we call engineers.

The second is that, in the United States, a Bachelors of Arts doesn't necessarily mean a degree in what we commonly think of as the arts.  I worked with a woman Europe had a Bachelor of Arts in Astrophysics, it's just what her university awarded.  I think Guller is a little punchy on this topic because IIRC he has a Bachelor of Arts in Mathematics.  (Also, here it would colloquially referred to as an engineering degree, but in almost every case it's actually a Bachelor of Science in (Discipline) Engineering.)

[DGuller]

No, I have a BS in math, not BA.  I just laid a trap to make a point about confirmation bias.  Musk has a BA in physics, and was admitted for a graduate degree in materials science.  Clearly he has some background knowledge and interest to dabble in engineering if he so chooses.

[Zoupa]

No, I have a BS in math, not BA.  I just laid a trap to make a point about confirmation bias.  Musk has a BA in physics, and was admitted for a graduate degree in materials science.  Clearly he has some background knowledge and interest to dabble in engineering if he so chooses.

I have some background knowledge and interest to dabble in the Latin Church. Please refer to me as Pope Zoupa from now on.

[crazy canuck]

I'm not sure why you were making that leap of logic. You asked the question whether a bachelor of arts to grief preclude someone from getting an engineering degree and the answer that is clearly no. Also, it is also true that musk does not have an engineering degree or if you want to get technical a degree in applied science.

A degree in applied science, or as is commonly known an engineering degree, is also not a bachelor of arts degree.  So again I have no idea what your point is.

Are you trying to argue that Musk has an engineering degree? Or in some other way is an engineer?

Also, something you may not be aware of, unless you were just trolling, a bachelor of arts degree is commonly referred to as an arts degree.  It may be that you just misunderstand what the meaning of an arts degree is.

I think there's a couple cultural differences here.  In Canada, (or at least most Canadian provinces) one needs to be a licensed Professional Engineer to call himself or herself an "Engineer."  In the United States that's not the case; at my company we have people without degrees in anything that we call engineers.

The second is that, in the United States, a Bachelors of Arts doesn't necessarily mean a degree in what we commonly think of as the arts.  I worked with a woman Europe had a Bachelor of Arts in Astrophysics, it's just what her university awarded.  I think Guller is a little punchy on this topic because IIRC he has a Bachelor of Arts in Mathematics.  (Also, here it would colloquially referred to as an engineering degree, but in almost every case it's actually a Bachelor of Science in (Discipline) Engineering.)

Ah, yes - here being an Engineer means something specific.  But if anyone can call themselves an engineer in the US, what is the purpose of that designation?

[DGuller]

No, I have a BS in math, not BA.  I just laid a trap to make a point about confirmation bias.  Musk has a BA in physics, and was admitted for a graduate degree in materials science.  Clearly he has some background knowledge and interest to dabble in engineering if he so chooses.

I have some background knowledge and interest to dabble in the Latin Church. Please refer to me as Pope Zoupa from now on.

Start your own church first, and if it's wildly successful at indoctrination, I promise I won't reflexively deny the possibility that you may have some theological insights.