Libertarians, Trump and the Alt-Right.

[grumbler]

Hey Raz, you never did explain what the "alt-light" is.

Wouldn't it be "dark"?   

Dark:  the new Light.

[DGuller]

I don't know if you're playing dumb or method acting it, but you are exceedingly tiresome either way.

  You, on the other hand, are never tiresome.  Moronic, yes, but I enjoy every stupid post you make as you avoid every argument I make.  Please keep dancing, little bear.

If you think you're making arguments that I'm not addressing, then you're not communicating them very effectively.  I'm just seeing a notoriously abrasive old man calling me a moron with poor reading comprehension with no apparent reason for it.  Doesn't really have a bite to it, and the forced  emoticons probably don't have the effect you think they have.

It could be that I'm not seeing that reason precisely because I'm a moron with no reading comprehension, but then how do you get external validation for making such awesome arguments?  From the imaginary other people that understand what you're getting at, informing you telepathically?  Tailor your arguments so that a moron like me could understand them, if they're the good shit that you think they are, they deserve being comprehended properly.

[Berkut]

This entire argument by Raz and DG is basically a ad-hom on libertarianism. It isn't any kind of attempt to understand their position, and make arguments against it - it is just an attempt to say the equivalent of "libertarians are Nazis, and we all know how bad those Nazi's are!".

When someone tries to point out what the term actually means to people who actually use it, you get this claim that it is no meaningless it doesn't matter. I disagree - it most certainly does matter when it comes to actual discussion about actual policies, and people who would otherwise fit the supposed definition of valuing liberty for its own sake will argue that the state has the right to force people to be married, or the state should deport human beings, or trample on the rights of travelers, or even mandate what kind of insurance people must have.

Raz and DG are desperate for the alt-right to own libertarianism because they have an irrational hatred of the term, and everyone hates the alt right, so of course libertarians must be alt right. It's like their claim that libertarians are racists. It doesn't even fucking make any sense from the standpoint of what the word means. But that isn't important to them, people on a crusade don't actually are about the facts or reason.

[The Brain]

I've never been on a crusade. I suck at shuffleboard.

[Eddie Teach]

I've never been on a crusade. I suck at shuffleboard.

That's ok, they have a pool and dance lessons too.

[DGuller]

Raz and DG are desperate for the alt-right to own libertarianism because they have an irrational hatred of the term, and everyone hates the alt right, so of course libertarians must be alt right.

Don't try to read my mind.  You've never been any good at it.

It's like their claim that libertarians are racists. It doesn't even fucking make any sense from the standpoint of what the word means.

No true libertarian would be racist.

But that isn't important to them, people on a crusade don't actually are about the facts or reason.

Yes, yes, we know, you're the paragon of reason, we got it after the first 1000 times.  Go easy on the rest of us, when something comes so naturally to you, it's very hard to empathize how hard it is for less gifted people.

[garbon]

So are there any true libertarians in politics today?

[Berkut]

So are there any true libertarians in politics today?

I don't think it is a label in that fashion. It isn't a political position, it is a weight given to a particular competing consideration.

And no, I  don't think there are any in politics today who give it anything like the weight it deserves. Which is why we have the Patriot Act, and the idea of deporting Dreamers, and such.

To the extent that there are those who DO give it anything like the weight it deserves, they are certainly all on the modern left, not the right, IMO.

[grumbler]

If you think you're making arguments that I'm not addressing, then you're not communicating them very effectively.

I am not really trying to communicate them to you.  If I dumbed them down enough for you to understand, they'd be boring to the rest of the board.  It's fine with me that you cannt grasp my argument; that fact makes your non sequiturs all the more hilarious.

I'm just seeing a notoriously abrasive old man calling me a moron with poor reading comprehension with no apparent reason for it.  Doesn't really have a bite to it, and the forced  emoticons probably don't have the effect you think they have.

Ah, the ad hom concession.  I knew it was coming, but wasn't sure when.  I won't say thanks for playing, but I will say thanks for flailing about in an attempt to play.

[grumbler]

So are there any true libertarians in politics today?

I think that true libertarians would have a hard time raising the money to be successful in modern politics.  If you oppose big government, big business, and big church, you aren't left with many wealthy sponsors.  I'd say John McCain is 2/3 libertarian but he's too cosy with business to be a real libertarian.

[Eddie Teach]

If you think you're making arguments that I'm not addressing, then you're not communicating them very effectively.

I am not really trying to communicate them to you.  If I dumbed them down enough for you to understand, they'd be boring to the rest of the board.  It's fine with me that you cannt grasp my argument; that fact makes your non sequiturs all the more hilarious.

They're already boring to onlookers so you might as well let your interlocutor know what you're saying.

[grumbler]

They're already boring to onlookers so you might as well let your interlocutor know what you're saying.

I did.  I said that arguments by assertion are not persuasive.  He responded that all tribes are not identical.  I'm not sure how you break through so profound a disinterest in reading comprehension.  Maybe baby words?  But I just cannot be bothered.  He is funnier flailing anyway.

[Razgovory]

I'm trying to figure out how I can launch an Ad hominem attack on libertarianism.  I'm also a bit perplexed as to what "big church" is and why Libertarians should be opposed to it.  If it's not state action, what does it have to do with libertarian?

[Eddie Teach]

I'm also a bit perplexed as to what "big church" is

It's one of life's great mysteries, like the alt-light.

[dps]

So are there any true libertarians in politics today?

I think that true libertarians would have a hard time raising the money to be successful in modern politics. 

There are probably some successful libertarian in politics at the state level.