Kate Millett, pioneering second-wave feminist, dies aged 82

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derspiess

Quote from: merithyn on September 07, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
I dunno... I'd almost argue that we're back to fighting for a lot of what the second wave fought for. At least, a lot of that wasn't ever accomplished or has gone backwards significantly.

Yep, I mean watch The Handmaid's Tale for crying out loud.  That's pretty much where we are now.
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A lot of big name 2nd wave femminists turned out to be very transphobic, what was her stance on trans rights?
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 07, 2017, 06:30:08 PM
A lot of big name 2nd wave femminists turned out to be very transphobic, what was her stance on trans rights?

This is important stuff, like Lincoln's views on communism.
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Quote from: derspiess on September 07, 2017, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 07, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
I dunno... I'd almost argue that we're back to fighting for a lot of what the second wave fought for. At least, a lot of that wasn't ever accomplished or has gone backwards significantly.

Yep, I mean watch The Handmaid's Tale for crying out loud.  That's pretty much where we are now.

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Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on September 07, 2017, 08:03:25 PM
That's cute.  And the ERA passed as well!

Hey Texas ratified it. You cannot blame us. For once.
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Quote from: merithyn on September 07, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
I dunno... I'd almost argue that we're back to fighting for a lot of what the second wave fought for. At least, a lot of that wasn't ever accomplished or has gone backwards significantly.

I remember back on old Languish I told you the earnings gap would shrink as all the boomers, who grew up under the old system, retired or died. Since that conversation it has closed by more than 10%. So that is something.
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merithyn

Quote from: Valmy on September 07, 2017, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 07, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
I dunno... I'd almost argue that we're back to fighting for a lot of what the second wave fought for. At least, a lot of that wasn't ever accomplished or has gone backwards significantly.

I remember back on old Languish I told you the earnings gap would shrink as all the boomers, who grew up under the old system, retired or died. Since that conversation it has closed by more than 10%. So that is something.

Um.. .It's still 70/30, give or take... And the Boomers are no longer the largest generation.
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derspiess

Quote from: Ed Anger on September 07, 2017, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 07, 2017, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 07, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
I dunno... I'd almost argue that we're back to fighting for a lot of what the second wave fought for. At least, a lot of that wasn't ever accomplished or has gone backwards significantly.

Yep, I mean watch The Handmaid's Tale for crying out loud.  That's pretty much where we are now.



He won't eat dinner alone with a woman that is not his wife.  TEH MONSTER
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Valmy

Quote from: merithyn on September 07, 2017, 10:52:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 07, 2017, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 07, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
I dunno... I'd almost argue that we're back to fighting for a lot of what the second wave fought for. At least, a lot of that wasn't ever accomplished or has gone backwards significantly.

I remember back on old Languish I told you the earnings gap would shrink as all the boomers, who grew up under the old system, retired or died. Since that conversation it has closed by more than 10%. So that is something.

Um.. .It's still 70/30, give or take... And the Boomers are no longer the largest generation.

No it isn't. It is 80/20. That is a 12% increase as it was 68/32 at the time.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

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merithyn

Quote from: Valmy on September 07, 2017, 11:16:30 PM


No it isn't. It is 80/20. That is a 12% increase as it was 68/32 at the time.

Yep, you're right. And it looks like the younger generations are coming up quicker than the older generation, so there's something to your theory.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/03/gender-pay-gap-facts/
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