The shit in Spain falls mainly in the fan

[Sheilbh]

Yeah, where's the snob value?

Snob value in the UK = countryside. Wellies and barbours etc. It doesn't really matter where in the country because you don't actually ever have to interact with the locals, at most they're just the staff.

The location of the school is broadly irrelevant to the character building boarding school experience (from what I understand) of school sports and bullying.

[The Larch]

Yeah, where's the snob value?

Snob value in the UK = countryside. Wellies and barbours etc. It doesn't really matter where in the country because you don't actually ever have to interact with the locals, at most they're just the staff.

The location of the school is broadly irrelevant to the character building boarding school experience (from what I understand) of school sports and bullying.

Didn't Prince Charles study in some place in the boondoncks in Scotland?

[Sheilbh]

Yeah. Same place Sean Connery and Bowie sent their sons.

It's particularly famous for being big on cold showers and outdoor activities like mountaineering etc. IT was set up by a Jewish-German refugee who was inspired by Plato's Republic - and I think particularly a sort of communal, Spartan ethos. Very character building stuff

As shown in the Crown Prince Philip went there and loved it - Charles absolutely loathed it and sent his sons to Eton (before Charles the royals were educated by tutors which is what the really rich did - hence why private schools are "public schools" in the UK). I think UK private schools are normally about character building (bullying), not really education which is why, when combined with their natural dimness, our elites are so often thick as mince.

[Duque de Bragança]

I guess it's a good thing BoJo's classical education shows up regularly after such a "character building" experience. 

[Richard Hakluyt]

Yeah. Same place Sean Connery and Bowie sent their sons.

It's particularly famous for being big on cold showers and outdoor activities like mountaineering etc. IT was set up by a Jewish-German refugee who was inspired by Plato's Republic - and I think particularly a sort of communal, Spartan ethos. Very character building stuff

As shown in the Crown Prince Philip went there and loved it - Charles absolutely loathed it and sent his sons to Eton (before Charles the royals were educated by tutors which is what the really rich did - hence why private schools are "public schools" in the UK). I think UK private schools are normally about character building (bullying), not really education which is why, when combined with their natural dimness, our elites are so often thick as mince.

There is always Summerhill http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/

[The Larch]

So, back to the original purpose of the thread. 

EU parliament strips Carles Puigdemont and two other Catalans of immunity
Spain seeking extradition related to separatists' role in organising 2017 independence referendum

The European parliament has voted to lift the immunity of the former Catalan president Carles Puigdemont and two of his ministers, taking them a step closer to extradition and prosecution in Spain.

MEPs voted by 400 to 248 with 45 abstentions in the case of Puigdemont and 404 to 247 with 42 abstentions regarding Antoni Comín and Clara Ponsatí, respectively the former health and education ministers in Puigdemont's government.

The three fled to Belgium in 2017 to avoid arrest in relation to their role in organising a 2017 independence referendum deemed illegal by a Spanish court and have been the subject of European arrest warrants issued by Spain.

Spain's foreign minister, Arancha González Laya, said the decision showed that "an MEP can't use their position to avoid justice in their home country and demonstrates the solidity of the Spanish judicial system".

She said it vindicated Madrid's view that "Catalonia's problems will be resolved in Spain, not in Europe".

The vote, however, reflected a further rift in the Spanish coalition government, with the leftwing Unidas Podemos MEPs voting to retain the immunity while their Socialist partners voted for it to be removed.

Nine independence leaders who remained in Catalonia, including the regional vice-president, Oriol Junqueras, received sentences of up to 13 years over their role in the failed bid for independence at the end of a trial in October 2019.

It is expected that new European arrest warrants will be issued on charges of sedition and, in the case of Puigdemont and Comín, misuse of public funds.

Ponsatí lives in Scotland, and Puigdemont and Comín in Belgium. The Belgian courts threw out an arrest warrant against the two in 2018 on grounds that the charge of rebellion brought did not exist in Belgian law. The three were elected to the European parliament in 2019, since when they have enjoyed immunity.

The three told a news conference at the parliament in Brussels that they would appeal against the vote at the the European court of justice, the EU's top court. The move could extend legal proceedings for at least a year. Ponsatí said they had strong legal grounds.

Puigdemont said: "It's a sad day for the European parliament. We have lost our immunity, but the European parliament has lost even more than that: as a result it has also lost European democracy." .

Puigdemont's party, Junts, tweeted: "We will not give up. The political conflict between Catalonia and Spain has stopped being an internal affair. We have brought it to the heart of Europe to continue denouncing the repression and political persecution of the Spanish state."

The appeal will not impede the Spanish courts from issuing a fresh warrant. The question is whether their Belgian counterparts will look on it any more sympathetically than they have before.

[Jacob]

... hence why private schools are "public schools" in the UK).

I'm in another forum where at least one of the posters are Eton old boys, and a couple of other ones have gone to similarly posh schools. Apparently - according to them - the public school part is that Eton et. al. were founded to educate boys at the crown's expense; so, in fact, to educate the public. The public schools still take in a number of scholarship boys who don't have to pay tuition and so on. Naturally, there's a significant difference between the scholarship boys in their second hand uniforms and the children of the very posh.

[Sheilbh]

I'm in another forum where at least one of the posters are Eton old boys, and a couple of other ones have gone to similarly posh schools. Apparently - according to them - the public school part is that Eton et. al. were founded to educate boys at the crown's expense; so, in fact, to educate the public. The public schools still take in a number of scholarship boys who don't have to pay tuition and so on. Naturally, there's a significant difference between the scholarship boys in their second hand uniforms and the children of the very posh.

Maybe but I think that's probably a myth - perhaps one more popular among people who went to public school

My understanding is that they descend from the difference between public and private education or teaching - public for the public (but there was a fee) v tutors of some sort or private schools for specific trades/liveries/institutions like Merchant Taylors or St Paul's School. But there are still some charity schools that are called charity schools that have some endowment - normally royal and were established to be a charity. The most famous one still has Tudor uniforms, but fees are entirely means-tested and they are excellent schools who have fee-paying students to basically subsidise the rest of the school and generally they're not single sex. I weirdly have a colleague who went to one of those schools on a full scholarship.

I think the other public schools like Eton were open to the public, but not charities and were funded by fees. And still are, public schools have scholarships but not as many as the charity schools because they turn a profit.  I think Eton has under 100 scholarships out of about 1,500 students (fees per year are around £50,000). But they have charitable status so they don't pay tax - I'm sure they do some charity work plus the scholarships. I know one person who went to Eton and from what I understand all the students have to do a fixed amount of voluntary hours in the community - I'm sure they do more charity work than that but I don't know what else they do - and admittedly my friend had an awful time at Eton.

[HVC]

Being on a scholarship to a place like eton I'm sure offers great opportunity but must be hellish for the student. Bad enough being rich and going there.

[merithyn]

Not remotely the same, but I went to a private Catholic school in 6th grade on scholarship. We all wore uniforms, but mine and my sister's were obviously second-hand, which was noted and mocked. Additionally, I wore the cheaper style of Nike, which was also noted.

I got into more fist fights there in one year that I did at my previous school in the five I was there. I hated every moment of it.

[Sheilbh]

Not remotely the same, but I went to a private Catholic school in 6th grade on scholarship. We all wore uniforms, but mine and my sister's were obviously second-hand, which was noted and mocked. Additionally, I wore the cheaper style of Nike, which was also noted.

I got into more fist fights there in one year that I did at my previous school in the five I was there. I hated every moment of it.

Yeah there's a bit cultural difference here over it. I mostly went to school in Scotland where you don't normally have school uniforms. But it's the norm in England to have school uniforms (normally just a poloshirt/jumper and smart trousers and shoes) and all of my English friends are convinced it stops/reduces bullying about kids who can't afford cool/fashionable/new clothes. And in fairness I think some council offer some financial support for school uniforms.

But I think that's nonsense and disagree with uniforms but it's very weird here.

[Eddie Teach]

I got into more fist fights there in one year that I did at my previous school in the five I was there. I hated every moment of it.

That was my experience at public school. No fights at all throughout elementary school, several in middle school.

[celedhring]

So, there's lots of talk that we should reform our hate speech laws, because they are way too encompassing and limiting in certain instances (I agree, but it's a difficult balance to find). Anyway, Vox - Spain's far right party - have decided to enter that debate and dutifully introduced a motion to amend the law removing "racism and anti-semitism" as hate speech 

[Jacob]

Maybe but I think that's probably a myth - perhaps one more popular among people who went to public school

My understanding is that they descend from the difference between public and private education or teaching - public for the public (but there was a fee) v tutors of some sort or private schools for specific trades/liveries/institutions like Merchant Taylors or St Paul's School. But there are still some charity schools that are called charity schools that have some endowment - normally royal and were established to be a charity. The most famous one still has Tudor uniforms, but fees are entirely means-tested and they are excellent schools who have fee-paying students to basically subsidise the rest of the school and generally they're not single sex. I weirdly have a colleague who went to one of those schools on a full scholarship.

I think the other public schools like Eton were open to the public, but not charities and were funded by fees. And still are, public schools have scholarships but not as many as the charity schools because they turn a profit.  I think Eton has under 100 scholarships out of about 1,500 students (fees per year are around £50,000). But they have charitable status so they don't pay tax - I'm sure they do some charity work plus the scholarships. I know one person who went to Eton and from what I understand all the students have to do a fixed amount of voluntary hours in the community - I'm sure they do more charity work than that but I don't know what else they do - and admittedly my friend had an awful time at Eton.

I'm in no position to argue this, but fair enough 

[Razgovory]

Not remotely the same, but I went to a private Catholic school in 6th grade on scholarship. We all wore uniforms, but mine and my sister's were obviously second-hand, which was noted and mocked. Additionally, I wore the cheaper style of Nike, which was also noted.

I got into more fist fights there in one year that I did at my previous school in the five I was there. I hated every moment of it.

That's how 6th grade is in any school.