The shit in Spain falls mainly in the fan

[celedhring]

I am quite shocked at the diversity of those who voted for independence.
The Catalan I work with (previously based here, now in Barcelona, comes back often for work stuff) says he went out to vote for independence with his 7 months pregnant wife.
You'd think a guy with such a comfortable settled situation as him would tend towards the conservative on such an issue as this.
Would love to see some proper studies on who supported which side.

Worst separatist rebellion ever.

It's a wealthy people nationalism. Support is actually higher among those well-off.

[Josquius]

Aren't the lower earners more likely to be migrant workers from the south with the higher earners more likely to be locals though?

[celedhring]

Aren't the lower earners more likely to be migrant workers from the south with the higher earners more likely to be locals though?

Yes, but this pattern is also reproduced within those cohorts. Just that locals have a higher baseline of support.

[mongers]

Worst separatist rebellion ever.

Were all of those millions on the streets little more than the political equivalent of a flash mob?

[celedhring]

This graph can be hard to read if you don't know Spanish, and it comes with many "buts" (survey was way too small to give reliable numbers for so many cohorts), but here it goes.

The further down the graphic, the more dirty Spanish blood in the cohort's veins (I'm in the second tier of purity ). From left to right, household income.



Catalan purebloods are overwhelmingly in favor of independence, but it also increases as income increases, same with the muggles. So support is highest among wealthy Catalan purebloods and weakest among "poor" immigrants or sons of immigrants.

Most of the Catalan population lies in the middle cohorts (both sides of the two "gaps" that cross the graphic).

[Admiral Yi]

Que es esta cosa que lama "CCAA" capitan Kirko?

[celedhring]

Que es esta cosa que lama "CCAA" capitan Kirko?

Comunidades Autónomas - our regions. That cohort is for people born in another Spanish region.

[Iormlund]

Que es esta cosa que lama "CCAA" capitan Kirko?

In Spanish plural in an acronym is noted with 2 letters instead of one. So:

CCAA: Comunidades autónomas.
EEUU: Estados Unidos (de América).

[Admiral Yi]

In Spanish plural in an acronym is noted with 2 letters instead of one. So:

CCAA: Comunidades autónomas.
EEUU: Estados Unidos (de América).

Ya lo sabia!

[celedhring]

Separatist NGOs are trying to organize a large protest in Brussels on December 7th.

Belgians will love us by now, surely.

[Valmy]

I don't get this appealing to the international community stuff. They don't even have the majority in Catalonia behind them. If they want our support they need to secure that at least.

[CountDeMoney]

The US is not going to be taken advantage of anymore. This Catalan carnage ends now.

[celedhring]

I don't get this appealing to the international community stuff. They don't even have the majority in Catalonia behind them. If they want our support they need to secure that at least.

Been telling them for 5 years now. You're welcome to try.

They see the December election as a chance to finally secure a 50%+1 majority (they won't) and thus have the world force Spain into granting Catalonia independence or whatever. Thing is, they are spending a total fat ZERO time trying to convince the rest of us. It drives me nuts. They spend all the time talking about how "evil, violent and repressive" Spain is, how the world should be helping them, but they aren't even looking at Catalonia itself, at the rest of us. 

[Admiral Yi]

If international intervention is the preferred mechanism for achieving independence, you really need peaceful protesters being mowed down by evil cops and women being gang-raped by street gangs of berserk Castillians.  A couple grannies roughed up at illegal polling places is not going to do the trick.

[Ed Anger]

The US is not going to be taken advantage of anymore. This Catalan carnage ends now.

HOTT