The shit in Spain falls mainly in the fan

[Iormlund]

That sounds a bit bleak, doesn't it?

You can think of it as taking one big card off the separatists' hand. Zaragoza is already the nexus between the Med (Catalonia & Valencia), the Basque Country and Madrid. This would open up France as well.


[edit] Also, it might encourage Seat to shift production away from Catalonia instead of just letting the brand die. If I were them I'd start with the Audi A1, which is low volume and launches next year. That would send a powerful message for a relatively low cost.

[celedhring]

First individuals charged with sedition will appear in front of the judge today. There's a chance that the prosecutor might ask for preventive detention of the two leaders of the two largest separatist NGOs - that would set the streets on fire. Hopefully only figuratively. 

EDIT: They have all been released with charges.

[celedhring]

Spanish Spec Ops deployed in key Catalan infrastructures (like the Barcelona airport) to prevent possible takeover after an UDI (yesterday a far-left separatist leader was babbling about how to "secure" them after declaring independence).

God, this is like a really stupid Tom Clancy novel now.

[garbon]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/06/catalan-government-press-ahead-referendum-debate

The Catalan government will defy the Spanish constitutional court by going ahead with a parliamentary debate to discuss Sunday's referendum result and potentially make a unilateral declaration of independence, the region's foreign minister has said.

On Thursday the court upheld a challenge by Catalonia's Socialist party – which opposes secession from Spain – ruling that allowing the Catalan parliament to meet on Monday would violate the rights of the party's MPs.

The court warned that any session carried out in defiance of its ban would be "null", and added that the parliament's leaders could face criminal action if they ignored the court order.

But Catalonia's foreign affairs minister, Raül Romeva, insisted the debate would go ahead regardless of the court's decision.

"We will keep going," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. "I think it's important that we start to understand this is about politics; this is not about legality. There is nothing illegal about voting."

Asked directly if the session would take place on Monday, he replied: "Parliament will discuss; parliament will meet. It will be a debate and this is important."
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[Tamas]

It's not illegal if you want to do it!

[garbon]

Ahh!

[Josquius]

Spanish Spec Ops deployed in key Catalan infrastructures (like the Barcelona airport) to prevent possible takeover after an UDI (yesterday a far-left separatist leader was babbling about how to "secure" them after declaring independence).

God, this is like a really stupid Tom Clancy novel now.

The next Just Cause to be set in Spain?

[Iormlund]

Energy giant Gas Natural Fenosa (largest company in the region) also approved a move out of Catalonia, to Madrid.

[Tamas]

Its difficult isn't it?

What kind of secondary status is worth economic ruin to get rid of?

I mean, what is pretty obvious for me, is that the average Spaniard must have a very low opinion of Catalans. The motivation for that brutality from the police must be coming from somewhere.

[garbon]

The motivation for that brutality from the police must be coming from somewhere.

[Valmy]

Its difficult isn't it?

What kind of secondary status is worth economic ruin to get rid of?

I mean, what is pretty obvious for me, is that the average Spaniard must have a very low opinion of Catalans. The motivation for that brutality from the police must be coming from somewhere.

If you apply this logic to Brexit I guess therefore all Europeans hate the Brits and that is why they left? The motivation for the brutality of the EU negotiators must be coming from somewhere.

I think most people just did think it through. You tend to take benefits of things for granted and can only see the downsides...until that thing goes away. Basic human nature.

[Maladict]

I suspect one of the consequences of this mess will be to reopen the Canfranc tunnel project. It would be a pretty expensive undertaking, but it would allow Spain to have a link to France bypassing both Catalonia and the Basque Country.

Canfranc station 

[Eddie Teach]

The motivation for that brutality from the police must be coming from somewhere.

Daddy didn't give affection.

[Tamas]

  shut up

[Pedrito]

The motivation for that brutality from the police must be coming from somewhere.

Daddy didn't give affection.

to the fact that mommy didn't care?

L.