The shit in Spain falls mainly in the fan

[The Brain]

The Regional Government will go forward with the UDI unless some of the moderates (if they are still there) get sweaty. Then the central government will suspend the autonomy, bring in the troops, and we'll become a more sunny version of the Ulster. Oh joy!

I guess the separatists plan on the ensuing fire and crimson to force Europe's hand. Feels so good to be a political human shield.

What do they think Europe would do?

[Drakken]

What do they think Europe would do?

So far the EC has always been constantly on the side of the Spanish government when this issue would crop up, but now there is immense pressure for the EU to speak up against the "violent repression" in Catalonia today. I cannot see the European Commission staying silent over this, now that we might have at the very, very worst a new civil war in Spain.

[CountDeMoney]

So tell me, so I have a frame of reference: on scale of 1 to 5--with 5 being a Real Madrid-Barcelona match and 1 being your average animal cruelty municipal bloodfeast--what's the potential amount of eggplant political violence here?

[Iormlund]

What do they think Europe would do?

Expel Spain, obviously.

What do they think Europe would do?

So far the EC has always been constantly on the side of the Spanish government when this issue would crop up, but now there is immense pressure for the EU to speak up against the "violent repression" in Catalonia today. I cannot see the European Commission staying silent over this, now that we might have at the very, very worst a new civil war in Spain.

The worst thing the Commision can do right now is get involved in this.

[Drakken]

So tell me, so I have a frame of reference: on scale of 1 to 5--with 5 being a Real Madrid-Barcelona match and 1 being your average animal cruelty municipal bloodfeast--what's the potential amount of eggplant political violence here?

We are reaching the period right after Abraham Lincoln was elected in 1860 and the Southern states went apeshit for secession - and the Northern states and congressmen were calling it as a bluff. And in a few days, North Carolina declares secession.

We are not at Fort Sumter, though. Yet.

[Drakken]

The worst thing the Commision can do right now is get involved in this.

Thing is, can they remain silent without losing total credibility? Spain remains a major partner in the European Union.

[CountDeMoney]

We are reaching the period right after Abraham Lincoln was elected in 1860 and the Southern states went apeshit.

We are not at Fort Sumter, though. Yet.

Oh, that's not good.

[garbon]

Am I the only one picturing Drakken saying this all breathless with excitement?

[Drakken]

Am I the only one picturing Drakken saying this all breathless with excitement?

I am actually very worried about the turn of events, like quite a many Quebecers are - for obvious reasons.

Ask Viper.

[CountDeMoney]

Am I the only one picturing Drakken saying this all breathless with excitement?

I am actually very worried about the turn of events, like quite a many Quebecers are - for obvious reasons.

Ask Viper.

I sincerely doubt Madrid is going to let Quebec secede either.

[Drakken]

I sincerely doubt Madrid is going to let Quebec secede either.

The Catalan example (like Scotland) are states that are presented as living similar experiences to Quebec by our secessionnist movements here. Many of their representatives, like Martine Ouellet, are in Catalonia right now as observers (unfortunately for us, Martine will be coming back). We also have mainstream journalists there to cover the events.

Needless to say, they are going bonkers about this "political repression of the popular will", so it occupies our political discussions here as well. It is front news here in Montreal, with Singh's election second. Plus, while I am Federalist I am still very worried that things can go even more haywire for people in Catalonia as well. It's not just a division between Rajoy and the Generalitat, but also Catalan secessionists against Catalan non-secessionists.

[Iormlund]

There's talk of general elections if the socialists do not support Rajoy. Seems like they want to sink PSOE for good.

In theory PP would crush the opposition everywhere other than Catalonia and the Basque Country, but if the Tories have teached us anything is to expect the unexpected...

[celedhring]

I'm looking at some of the precincts reporting, turnout is consistently lower across the board from 2014 (the other self-determination referendum the nationalists held, which had a 43% turnout). They might doctor the numbers when Barcelona comes in, which is a huge swathe of the census, but if that's a mandate for secession - we are looking at 40% turnout -, they're nuts.

[Eddie Teach]

PP, hehe.

[Iormlund]

I'm looking at some of the precincts reporting, turnout is consistently lower across the board from 2014 (the other self-determination referendum the nationalists held, which had a 43% turnout). They might doctor the numbers when Barcelona comes in, which is a huge swathe of the census, but if that's a mandate for secession - we are looking at 40% turnout -, they're nuts.

Well, they are already in for sedition. They might as well go for rebellion as well. You know, in for a penny ...