About those peaceful antifa protests...

[Valmy]

An encouraging sign that the conflict is ideological rather than wholly identitarian.

Did you just assume their identity?

[Razgovory]

They got their baggage mixed up at the airport.  How fortunate that they ran into each other later that afternoon.

[Grinning_Colossus]

An encouraging sign that the conflict is ideological rather than wholly identitarian.

Did you just assume their identity?

Transracialism isn't allowed, as demonstrated by the reaction to that confused woman in Oregon. Granted, the individual on the right could be a very white-passing person of color, but insofar as 'white-passing' is an identity in itself, I'm still ok.

[viper37]

By the way there is extreme right wing violence going on in Quebec?

Outside the heads of the left?  No.

To be honest, there are occasional vandalism against mosque, there was the terror attack last winter against the Quebec mosque, but nothing indicating a sudden rise in extreme right wing. 

Due to the high numbers (over 6000 now and likely 8000 by the end of the week) of Haitian refugees illegally crossing the border to claim refugee status here combined with the pressure we had by rushing through the admittance of so many Syrian refugees without the promised Federal resource, there is a certain resentment that is easily felt.  Cornwall has had 300 and they're starting to worry.  Wait until there's 5-6000 there and you'll see the same thing as in Quebec, a rise in xenophobic comments made online and a couple of protests against illegal immigration.

But overt racism, as in KKK white supremacists attitude?  Right wing thugs beating Arabs, Blacks or Jews?  No.  The only violence comes from the left, it's the only way they express themselves.

This painting was commissionned by then Québec Solidiare co-chief, Amir Kadir:
http://blogues.lapresse.ca/lagace/files/2012/06/Mise-en-demeure-420x310.jpg

It represent a dead Jean Charest, then Premier, at his feet.

That tells you how these guys think.

[citizen k]

What you are missing is that the right side is already armed to the gills. Those militias in Charlottesville wren't on the left.

What you are missing is that the left side is arming up to the gills as well.

[Savonarola]

Here's one for you, Viper:

Houston man arrested, accused of attempting to blow up Confederate statue

You've got to admit, they never do anything halfway in Texas. 

[dps]

I am not entirely sure what the argument is.  While neo-Nazis are certainly undesirable, it is also highly undesirable to use violence to stop their marches or rallies.  Any violence used should be strictly for self-defence, or defence of others. 

Well, I agree with you and Valmy on this.  But some other posters seem to think that political violence is justified if it's by someone on their side of the ideological spectrum.

[jimmy olsen]

I am not entirely sure what the argument is.  While neo-Nazis are certainly undesirable, it is also highly undesirable to use violence to stop their marches or rallies.  Any violence used should be strictly for self-defence, or defence of others. 

Well, I agree with you and Valmy on this.  But some other posters seem to think that political violence is justified if it's by someone on their side of the ideological spectrum.

Everyone thinks that. They just draw the line in a different place.

I.e., I would support civil war in X circumstances.

Hell, supporting the status quo, which is upheld by the state's monopolization of violence is an endorsemnet of violence for political ends.

[Oexmelin]

To be honest, there are occasional vandalism against mosque, there was the terror attack last winter against the Quebec mosque, but nothing indicating a sudden rise in extreme right wing. 

How many "lefitsts" according to your capacious definition, killed anyone in a politically motivated attack in the last five years?

The attack against the mosque in Quebec City left six persons dead, and eight injured. Last January. It's almost as if it never happened, in your world. 

That you treat it as a footnote, in your usual rush to indict "the left" is pretty fucking disgusting.

[Grey Fox]

No, that's not it Oex. Viper isn't forgetting it, he just doesn't think it's as important as economic destruction.

While the right isn't being overtly violent it is passively violent & being intimidating. The only thing to do with a Nazi is too punch him in the face.

[11B4V]

By the way there is extreme right wing violence going on in Quebec?

Outside the heads of the left?  No.

To be honest, there are occasional vandalism against mosque, there was the terror attack last winter against the Quebec mosque, but nothing indicating a sudden rise in extreme right wing. 

Due to the high numbers (over 6000 now and likely 8000 by the end of the week) of Haitian refugees illegally crossing the border to claim refugee status here combined with the pressure we had by rushing through the admittance of so many Syrian refugees without the promised Federal resource, there is a certain resentment that is easily felt.  Cornwall has had 300 and they're starting to worry.  Wait until there's 5-6000 there and you'll see the same thing as in Quebec, a rise in xenophobic comments made online and a couple of protests against illegal immigration.

But overt racism, as in KKK white supremacists attitude?  Right wing thugs beating Arabs, Blacks or Jews?  No.  The only violence comes from the left, it's the only way they express themselves.

This painting was commissionned by then Québec Solidiare co-chief, Amir Kadir:
http://blogues.lapresse.ca/lagace/files/2012/06/Mise-en-demeure-420x310.jpg

It represent a dead Jean Charest, then Premier, at his feet.

That tells you how these guys think.

Sorry, complete BS. Where's your head at.

[Zoupa]

No, that's not it Oex. Viper isn't forgetting it, he just doesn't think it's as important as economic destruction.

I don't understand it either. Maybe viper really really likes bank windows or something.

[Jacob]

I know this will convince no-one to change their mind on anything re: Antifa, but here's a link on leftist anti fascists joining Kurds to fight ISIS:

https://itsgoingdown.org/right-urges-fear-refugees-antifa-fighting-isis/

[CountDeMoney]

I find the term "Antifa" annoying.  It's the kind of word that aggravates and alienates the average Joe America.  Sounds too much like "Intifada" or something else suspiciously furriner.

[Ed Anger]

My dearest Honeykitten,

I have arrived at the front to battle the leftist menace. I squeed with delight as I was given my very own torch for the night time rally! The day after I shall hold up the scared Sothern Cross as we battled the subhuman scum.

Thank you for packing my Capri Suns and Lunchables in my backpack. Those victuals will sustain my confederate fervor. Also, thank you for washing my anime body pillow.

Regards,

Col. Lettow