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Started by Maladict, June 10, 2017, 04:05:41 AM

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Which of these separatist movements do you sympathize with?

Quebec
8 (22.2%)
Catalunya
9 (25%)
Basque country
9 (25%)
Corsica
4 (11.1%)
Kurdistan (Turkey and Iraq)
33 (91.7%)
Republika Srpska
5 (13.9%)
Scotland
12 (33.3%)
Ireland (unification)
13 (36.1%)
CSA II
2 (5.6%)
None, separatism is treason
2 (5.6%)
None, I don't like change (mono)
0 (0%)
Other:
3 (8.3%)

Total Members Voted: 36

Maladict

Which of the above would you approve of, if not actively support? Pick as many as apply.


Richard Hakluyt

I sympathise with the Kurds who get a bad deal from the various states that they are in.

Also Ireland, but that is going to be a very long and delicate process.

Zanza

What little I know makes me think that the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina is not sustainable and it might be better if the Republika Srpska splits off and joins Serbia proper.

The Kurds also seem to have legitimate grievances in Turkey, Iraq and Iran and them having their own state might be a good outcome.

Not sure about Ireland.

celedhring

If only England and the ROI belonged to a supranational economic area with completely free flow of people and goods within the island, the need for an united Ireland would become increasingly moot.

garbon

None really. Maybe Kurdistan. Certainly nothing in Europe or NA.
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The Brain

Other: I have no strong opinion on the matter.
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Duque de Bragança

#6
Québec because multiculturalism ;)
Ireland: not separatism, the separation there was after WWI, more like irredentism. It might go back to Ireland in due time.
Kurdistan: they deserve it, no question, but the neighboring states are against it.
If the Basques can do it peacefully, à la catalane, inside the EU, linked by TGVs and standard gauge to Europe (no Abertzale Festung bitte) yes.
Catalunya
Scotland: no strong opinion, calvinist separatism is past its due date :D
Corsica: ambivalent but the independents movement seems mostly dead nowadays, only claiming more subsidies. I am not sure Italy is willing to buy it ;)
Actually, other French territories could go and that would be a bonus for the métropole: namely Mayotte (joining the Comoros paradise that is) plus most French Antilles. Guyane could be given to Brazil to restore order, plus Tordesillas treaty compliance  :P :P except for Kourou (Ariane rockets are still vital).
Kerguelen Islands will stay French. :D

Others:
South Tyrol/Alto Adige has got a pretty good status within Italy so no need to reunite with Austria I believe.

PS: funny how a Batavian forgot about Flanders/Belgium/Wallonia.  :P

jimmy olsen

Unless the country at large is heavily oppressing/murdering the minority in question I am against separatism. On that basis, only the Kurds in that list deserve it.
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Ancient Demon

I could only agree with Kurdistan and Srpska on that list. I find the supposed grievances of separatist movements in developed countries to be frivolous.
Ancient Demon, formerly known as Zagys.

dps

Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 10, 2017, 07:19:47 AM
Unless the country at large is heavily oppressing/murdering the minority in question I am against separatism. On that basis, only the Kurds in that list deserve it.

I largely agree with this.

Lettow77

It can't be helped...We'll have to use 'that'

fromtia

Generally support the idea of local or regional control, but in the framework of some sort of federal system. Kurds, yeah hard not to see them as victims of history at it's worst. Generally supported Scottish independence, but the Scots themselves seem to have lost interest a bit for now.

Self determination, it's quaint and nineteenth century, but hard not to like.
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DGuller

Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 10, 2017, 07:19:47 AM
Unless the country at large is heavily oppressing/murdering the minority in question I am against separatism. On that basis, only the Kurds in that list deserve it.
I think there are more cases than that.  Democratic countries, to stay democratic, have to not have divisions that trump all else.  If there are such divisions, then politics inside that country becomes zero-sum total war.  In that case it would be to the benefit of everyone in the country to separate into more homogeneous blocks rather than have to endure perpetually festering internal problems.

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The Larch

Quote from: Zanza on June 10, 2017, 04:21:56 AM
What little I know makes me think that the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina is not sustainable and it might be better if the Republika Srpska splits off and joins Serbia proper.

It has to be said that if the situation is Bosnia is so unstable and untenable is mostly because the Sprska Republic act like jerks all the time and boycott the central Bosnian government as much as possible, so allowing them to secede would be "rewarding" their behaviour.