Explosions in Manchester: Ariana Grande concert, "a number of fatalities"

[Josquius]

She's one of the long list of singers with name recognition but no sound recognition

[Syt]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/22/europe/live-blog-manchester-arena/index.html

Trump calls attackers 'evil losers'

US President Donald Trump has condemned the attack in Manchester during his visit to Bethlehem.

In a speech alongside Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Trump said those responsible for the deaths of 22 people in Manchester were "evil losers in life."

"I won't call them monsters because they would like that term," Trump said.

"I will call them from now on losers because that's what they are."

[Tamas]

He has a point, actually.

[garbon]

He has a point, actually.

A childish point.

One person in that post sounds like an adult, one sounds like a middle schooler.

[Eddie Teach]

Childish gibes may resonate more with prospective jihadists.

[CountDeMoney]

I dunno, "Bring it on" didn't seem much more adult.

[garbon]

Childish gibes may resonate more with prospective jihadists.

Calling them evil losers is going to get them to stop?

[Tamas]

He has a point, actually.

A childish point.

One person in that post sounds like an adult, one sounds like a middle schooler.

Well, one is the seemingly honest reaction of an impulsive moron, the other is the run of the mill, crafted-to-soullessness reaction of a professional politician.


And the point is, we SHOULD avoid raising these terrorist to some kind of demonic anti-pedestal. They are NOT evil masterminds with an agenda.
These people are Europe's version of school shooters - frustrated losers. Unfortunately, due to their heritage and religion, they were able to find a channel and amplifier for their frustrations

[CountDeMoney]

Well, one is the seemingly honest reaction of an impulsive moron, the other is the run of the mill, crafted-to-soullessness reaction of a professional politician.

I dunno, man. I think it's a bit of a reach to call the suicide bomber a professional politician.

[garbon]

He has a point, actually.

A childish point.

One person in that post sounds like an adult, one sounds like a middle schooler.

Well, one is the seemingly honest reaction of an impulsive moron, the other is the run of the mill, crafted-to-soullessness reaction of a professional politician.


And the point is, we SHOULD avoid raising these terrorist to some kind of demonic anti-pedestal. They are NOT evil masterminds with an agenda.
These people are Europe's version of school shooters - frustrated losers. Unfortunately, due to their heritage and religion, they were able to find a channel and amplifier for their frustrations

It is a bit rich positing that Trump is making that point as Trump's base of support is all about terrorists being evil masterminds out to destroy the west.

I don't get what is so great about honest reactions either but then I don't vote for populist politicians.

[CountDeMoney]

So, 13 year old boys then.

  She is a little cutie pie.  And 13 was a long time ago.

[CountDeMoney]

Wouldn't be surprised if it was a returning ISIS fighter, we've been warned that several hundred of these will grace our shores with their presence now that their "caliphate" is fucked.

One of the intel business talking heads last time said they estimate Britain alone has roughly 500 individuals with direct training and combat experience in Syria, never mind the thousands of wired sympathizers.  It's nice you get to come home from something like that.

[Tamas]

I was reacting to the facts that incidentally ended up pointed out by Trump. That does not make an uncritical supporter of Trump. He is a horrible scourge

[garbon]

I was reacting to the facts that incidentally ended up pointed out by Trump. That does not make an uncritical supporter of Trump. He is a horrible scourge

You are giving him credit where basically none is due. I don't think anyone reasonable actually views us in a big masterminded war of islam vs the west. Also, I'm not sure that anyone thinks we should glorify terrorists, in fact, constant opinion pieces about how we shouldn't.

And again, Trump's support and stance on Islam is actually the narrative that boosts the profile of Islamic terrorists. The man who insists on stating 'radical islamic terrorism'.

[Tamas]

I was reacting to the facts that incidentally ended up pointed out by Trump. That does not make an uncritical supporter of Trump. He is a horrible scourge

You are giving him credit where basically none is due. I don't think anyone reasonable actually views us in a big masterminded war of islam vs the west. Also, I'm not sure that anyone thinks we should glorify terrorists, in fact, constant opinion pieces about how we shouldn't.

And again, Trump's support and stance on Islam is actually the narrative that boosts the profile of Islamic terrorists. The man who insists on stating 'radical islamic terrorism'.

You are overreacting. What Trump said, was true. He does end up saying true things every once in a while, like how his daughter is hot (can't recall anything else right now(. That doesn't make him any less despicable.