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The Battle of Bosworth

Started by Josquius, February 28, 2017, 12:37:22 PM

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Who is the good guy?

Richard III
7 (46.7%)
Henry Tudor (VII)
7 (46.7%)
I know nothing of this event and can't be arsed to research
1 (6.7%)

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Josquius

February 28, 2017, 12:37:22 PM
I just watched this documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvBIkhxDMEc

towards the end they're talking about the long standing Richard III society, keen to rehabilitate his image. And a new upstart Henry Tudor society who say no, that this revisionism is nonsense, Henry is the hero.

So.

Yes, yes, history is complicated and not black and white.
But if you have to support one, and assuming that if you choose Richard he will win, so don't let the actual outcome sway you.... Who is the good guy at the close of the Wars of the Roses?
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Valmy

#1
February 28, 2017, 12:38:40 PM
Both kind of suck. But Richard III sucks more. The Yorkists had won and he fucked it up.

So I vote for the Welshman.
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Habbaku

#2
February 28, 2017, 12:46:13 PM
The trouble here is deciding based on limited information about Richard.  We have a good snapshot of his brief reign and, with the Princes controversy set aside (I'm not sure where I stand on it, even after reading 3 books on the subject), he seems to have been a good ruler, fair minded, but with some nepotism given to the northerners.

In comparison, we have plenty of information about Henry VII's reign, and can make a far more informed up or down assessment of him.

I would have sided with Richard as the rightful ruler in such a situation, especially knowing the chaos that comes with Henry VIII's reign, but it's not an easy choice.
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The Brain

#3
February 28, 2017, 03:51:23 PM
Yorkist to the bone. Richard III.
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Habbaku

#4
February 28, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
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The Brain

#5
February 28, 2017, 04:09:13 PM
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Barrister

#6
February 28, 2017, 04:10:51 PM
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

garbon

#7
February 28, 2017, 04:16:01 PM
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The Brain

#8
February 28, 2017, 04:16:41 PM
Knock knock.
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garbon

#9
February 28, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 28, 2017, 04:16:41 PM
Knock knock.

Why'd the chicken cross the road?
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viper37

#10
February 28, 2017, 05:42:48 PM
Richard III.  But just because I didn't want to look like an idiot and vote #3.

:P

I don't know much, not enough about Britannia to have an informed opinion on the matter, sadly.
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Habbaku

#11
February 28, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

Solmyr

#12
March 01, 2017, 06:53:33 AM
Richard IV is the rightful King. :contract:

mongers

#13
March 01, 2017, 08:27:16 AM
At least the battle gave us a nice mnemonic.  :bowler:
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