Should a former porn star be fired from her teaching job. Languish decides.

Started by Josephus, February 02, 2017, 01:32:41 PM

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LaCroix

I'm all for the "the past is the past," but society isn't all for that -- see felons getting screwed. being a part of society is expecting to (or at least dealing with) lose out on opportunities by doing certain things that society condemns

Josephus

I watched a documentary recently about former porn stars. (After Porn). There were a couple of them quite upset that no matter what they do, their past always haunts them and they can't get past it.

It's easy to sit here and say that the school should keep her because she's reformed, and that is certainly my view.

But you can see the school's point of view too.  They will undoubtedly get calls and complaints from parents, especially in Texas, who don't want a porn star, reformed or not, to teach their children.

Tough call in the end. I guess it depends exactly on the wording of the behaviour clause.

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Berkut

I don't buy the idea that there is the "schools point of view" in this case.

The *only* reason she was outed was because THEY outed her!

They can't claim that they are firing her for a perception that only exists because they fired her!

If they had any integrity, they would have quietly dismissed the information out of hand, and refused to comment on it on the grounds that it was protected and confidential information.

Then if someone else outed her, she could simply refuse to comment, and nobody would even really know that is was necessarily her at all.

And if particular parents find out and decide to send their kids to some other school, so be it. Some parents have irrational hang ups, and don't want their kids taught or around all kinds of people. I don't think a school, unless it is specifically sold on some attribute, should cater to irrational prejudices of any potential parents.
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garbon

Quote from: Barrister on February 02, 2017, 01:55:20 PM
Well the school is relying on a "good character" clause in her contract to terminate her.  Certainly her current attitude towards porn is more important than her actions a decade ago.  As a parent I'd be much MORE upset about a teacher who goes "pornography is awesome!  You should totally try and get into the business", than one who had made some movies in the early oughts but now talks about the failings of porn.

Umm, there's surely middle ground between denouncing porn and extolling the virtues of porn. I don't think she should be saying anything about porn to students.
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Malthus

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 02, 2017, 02:19:13 PM


Of course there's no evidence provided.  She hasn't taught in the future yet.

So maybe people should not be fired for possible events that may happen in the future.
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mongers

[Typical Languish response]

I depends how good the porn was.

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Malthus on February 02, 2017, 03:41:39 PM
So maybe people should not be fired for possible events that may happen in the future.

Such as a very stoned train operator who hasn't crashed yet?

Malthus

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 02, 2017, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 02, 2017, 03:41:39 PM
So maybe people should not be fired for possible events that may happen in the future.

Such as a very stoned train operator who hasn't crashed yet?

A stoned train operator is doing something worthy of being fired for *right now*. Namely, being stoned while operating a train.

Not a very good analogy.
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Valmy

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 02, 2017, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 02, 2017, 03:41:39 PM
So maybe people should not be fired for possible events that may happen in the future.

Such as a very stoned train operator who hasn't crashed yet?

People rarely die for having slightly less respect for their teacher so probably not a real applicable comparison.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Malthus on February 02, 2017, 03:53:11 PM
A stoned train operator is doing something worthy of being fired for *right now*. Namely, being stoned while operating a train.

Not a very good analogy.

And the teacher is in violation of her morals clause *right now.*

Valmy

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 02, 2017, 03:58:57 PM
And the teacher is in violation of her morals clause *right now.*

As you are a person for sure to be terminated if a morals clause was ever introduced to your employment I guess I have to defer to you in this case.
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Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on February 02, 2017, 04:08:35 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 02, 2017, 03:58:57 PM
And the teacher is in violation of her morals clause *right now.*

As you are a person for sure to be terminated if a morals clause was ever introduced to your employment I guess I have to defer to you in this case.

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Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on February 02, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
Meow!

What? He knows it. There are croutons less square than me. So if he knows that this should get somebody fired who am I to argue?
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